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Post by Vinny on Aug 6, 2023 9:55:34 GMT
Christ Sid, how many years are you going to try and refight the same old arguments that were settled 7 years ago?.. Exactly. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 10:08:18 GMT
It isnt secret that the UK who know about the legal agreements cincerning who makes trade deals which must be approved by ALL the members.
For fecks sake. You left the EU. What gives you the right to tell the EU how to conduct ourselves. No one cares what you think on this side of the channel. It isnt your business anymore. Particularly when you dont understand what the Single Market is.
Get in with answering my question. What has Brexit done for you? Immigration and borders? Economy? Environment? Inflation? Employment? Foreign direct investment? Growth? Housing? Better NHS? REESE Blob's cheaper food and shoes?
Come in RR. You know all about these things. You sing the praises nrearly every day of winning Brexit.
So what did you win?
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 10:12:45 GMT
Christ Sid, how many years are you going to try and refight the same old arguments that were settled 7 years ago?.. Exactly. 🤣🤣🤣 Says the parrot who can speak of nothing else. Is your self awareness so poor that when you look in the mirror you dont see your real face? There is a psychological term for that. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 6, 2023 18:52:49 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 21:38:50 GMT
And it has. He was right.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 6, 2023 21:45:28 GMT
It isnt secret that the UK who know about the legal agreements cincerning who makes trade deals which must be approved by ALL the members. For fecks sake. You left the EU. What gives you the right to tell the EU how to conduct ourselves. No one cares what you think on this side of the channel. It isnt your business anymore. Particularly when you dont understand what the Single Market is. Get in with answering my question. What has Brexit done for you? Immigration and borders? Economy? Environment? Inflation? Employment? Foreign direct investment? Growth? Housing? Better NHS? REESE Blob's cheaper food and shoes? Come in RR. You know all about these things. You sing the praises nrearly every day of winning Brexit. So what did you win? What was regained was independence. A very precious thing. That fight is far from over as the political class seem intent on binding us again to the EU in some way even by way of the WEF. The fact that our governments have made a pigs ear of many of the challenges and opportunities of Brexit is not a problem with Brexit. Being free from the EU project is the paramount concern. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 21:55:34 GMT
Oddly as time passes it has become obvious that you already had the better of all worlds and having chopped ofg your benefits in the name of independence, you now are negotiating to be allowed to crawl back little by little.
It is a fool's paradise to want "independence" and then fuck it up by thr very people who gave it to you.
In fact Shakespeare would have written a tragedy about it.
And i did ask for REAL examples, not airyfairy cliches.
But thanks for the mediocre if not predictable reply.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 6, 2023 22:09:25 GMT
Oddly as time passes it has become obvious that you already had the better of all worlds and having chopped ofg your benefits in the name of independence, you now are negotiating to be allowed to crawl back little by little. It is a fool's paradise to want "independence" and then fuck it up by thr very people who gave it to you. In fact Shakespeare would have written a tragedy about it. And i did ask for REAL examples, not airyfairy cliches. But thanks for the mediocre if not predictable reply. I am not crawling back and have no desire for our government to act in such a way. The real example is independence, if you cannot see that then I cannot help you, but that stands head and shoulders above all else. The British electorate took back our independence it was not given to us. The political class have spent 50 years trying to enmesh us into the EU system, with some success, it was always going to be a bumpy road as we could not expect goodwill from the EU and it has been distinctly lacking in many Remainers especially those with a bit of power in government and in Parliament. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 5:35:51 GMT
The EU is actually supported by fascists. It's libertarians who opposed being consumed by it and for very good reasons. Sadly, fascists are incredibly intolerant and have insisted on ignoring democracy whilst offering nothing but abuse and insults toward the good people of this country.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 7:14:11 GMT
Oddly as time passes it has become obvious that you already had the better of all worlds and having chopped ofg your benefits in the name of independence, you now are negotiating to be allowed to crawl back little by little. It is a fool's paradise to want "independence" and then fuck it up by thr very people who gave it to you. In fact Shakespeare would have written a tragedy about it. And i did ask for REAL examples, not airyfairy cliches. But thanks for the mediocre if not predictable reply. I am not crawling back and have no desire for our government to act in such a way. The real example is independence, if you cannot see that then I cannot help you, but that stands head and shoulders above all else. The British electorate took back our independence it was not given to us. The political class have spent 50 years trying to enmesh us into the EU system, with some success, it was always going to be a bumpy road as we could not expect goodwill from the EU and it has been distinctly lacking in many Remainers especially those with a bit of power in government and in Parliament. Very nice speech. How3ver did you know that every proposed piece of legislation has to be approved by each member's "parliament" which can propose amendments ? And do please give examples of this independence you had lost. Nor just party political speeches. And what benefits has this new independence brought you? Raw sewage on beaches? ( there is an EU directive making that illegal). Easier trade and travel? Lower prices? Faster transport? S7bsidi3s and regional aid that the EU used to give po0rer regions such as Cornwall? WHAT BENEFITS HAS INDEPENDENCE BROUGHT YOU?? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 7:21:17 GMT
The EU is actually supported by fascists. It's libertarians who opposed being consumed by it and for very good reasons. Sadly, fascists are incredibly intolerant and have insisted on ignoring democracy whilst offering nothing but abuse and insults toward the good people of this country. Hopeless to reply to this amateur piece of verbal spaghetti. Go look up the word "fascist" and stop waving it about like some flag on a battlefield. Ditto libertarians who are not to be confused with liberals. And itcis most ignorant to accuse over 70% of half a billion people of being fascists. Now get back in your box , Jack. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 7, 2023 9:41:30 GMT
The EU is actually supported by fascists. It's libertarians who opposed being consumed by it and for very good reasons. Sadly, fascists are incredibly intolerant and have insisted on ignoring democracy whilst offering nothing but abuse and insults toward the good people of this country. It's hardly surprising that people who advocated it early on were people like Oswald Mosley and his "Union Movement". Some ex Nazis and Italian fascists as well as Petainist collaborators were also involved in founding it. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 11:18:06 GMT
The EU is actually supported by fascists. It's libertarians who opposed being consumed by it and for very good reasons. Sadly, fascists are incredibly intolerant and have insisted on ignoring democracy whilst offering nothing but abuse and insults toward the good people of this country. It's hardly surprising that people who advocated it early on were people like Oswald Mosley and his "Union Movement". Some ex Nazis and Italian fascists as well as Petainist collaborators were also involved in founding it. And were ignored. As you should be. You would sound far less stupid if you gave proof. I mean the idea that Churchill and de Gaulle would sit down and fashion the Treaty of Rome with nazis and Italian fascists is just too hilarious. BTW yesterday you severely criticised those who keep talking about Brexit. So how about following your own advice, or are ignorance and hypocrisy so part of your being that come midnight, all that happened previously is automatically erased? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 7, 2023 13:10:22 GMT
Political unions are one step away from a one world totalitarian government.
Hence they are, and should always be, opposed by anyone that isn't a fascist.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 7, 2023 13:35:08 GMT
The only way a political union can be acceptable is if you can vote for or against the people who make its policies.
Otherwise, it's dictatorship.
Doesn't matter if the flag has a bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe, or gold stars on it, if the people who control policy direction cannot be elected or sacked, it is not a democracy.
Glad to be out, I realise our own system isn't perfect and needs work, but that doesn't make the EU acceptable.
The EU needs reform and can't.
Because it would have to empower the voters who pay for it.
And then, the politicians would be servants, rather than masters.
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