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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 2, 2023 17:31:19 GMT
Although the Western media heaps ample scorn on Hungary and Poland, there is no denying that these countries are safer places to live in comparison to Western nations when it comes to crime and terrorism, with a data map from Landgeist revealing the vast difference in robbery rates between European nations.
The map, which is based on data from Statista, shows that in Hungary only six robberies occur per 100,000 people per year, while Czechia has 14 and Poland has 17 robberies for every 100,000 people. These figures are dramatically lower than other Western nations, such as Belgium and Spain, where a whopping 140 robberies occur every year for every 100,000 people. That means you are approximately 23 times more likely to be robbed in Belgium than if you are in Hungary.
Britain is not far behind, with 132 robberies per 100,000 people.
...Swedish police chiefs have, for instance, placed the blame for much of the rising crime rates on migrant clan gangs, of which there are now over 40 operating in Sweden. In Paris, France, nearly half of all criminals are foreign-born in certain departments. Data from the country’s transport system also shows that 92 percent of all petty thefts were committed by foreigners.
In Germany, migrants are responsible for 38 percent of all crimes despite being a small share of the population, and are highly over-represented in serious crimes like murder and robbery.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 2, 2023 17:42:03 GMT
Striking how bad the UK is compared to France, Germany and Italy. The UK having a larger migrant population than those countries seems to come with quite a cost.
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Post by thomas on Aug 2, 2023 19:04:26 GMT
Although the Western media heaps ample scorn on Hungary and Poland, there is no denying that these countries are safer places to live in comparison to Western nations when it comes to crime and terrorism, with a data map from Landgeist revealing the vast difference in robbery rates between European nations.
The map, which is based on data from Statista, shows that in Hungary only six robberies occur per 100,000 people per year, while Czechia has 14 and Poland has 17 robberies for every 100,000 people. These figures are dramatically lower than other Western nations, such as Belgium and Spain, where a whopping 140 robberies occur every year for every 100,000 people. That means you are approximately 23 times more likely to be robbed in Belgium than if you are in Hungary.
Britain is not far behind, with 132 robberies per 100,000 people.
...Swedish police chiefs have, for instance, placed the blame for much of the rising crime rates on migrant clan gangs, of which there are now over 40 operating in Sweden. In Paris, France, nearly half of all criminals are foreign-born in certain departments. Data from the country’s transport system also shows that 92 percent of all petty thefts were committed by foreigners.
In Germany, migrants are responsible for 38 percent of all crimes despite being a small share of the population, and are highly over-represented in serious crimes like murder and robbery.
sorry to be pedantic dan once again , but your own link doesnt say britain. You do know britian is an island containing three nations? You link says england and wales FFS has 132 robberies per 100 000. The top third of the island of britian , according to your own link is a country called scotland and that has 29 per 100 000.
If spain is so unsafe , why is it among the most popular holiday destinations and places to migrate to for people from that wee country that makes up 40 % of the land of the british islands....england?
Perhaps the robberies make the scousers and mancs feel at home.? 
Have to say dan , i fink its just another wee outrage bus story dont you?
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 2, 2023 20:37:40 GMT
Yes I noticed that too, but then again it wasn't my my map. If it had been I'd have labelled the red bit 'England and Wales'.
But that doesn't seem all that far off from the general theme that where you find higher numbers of migrants in Europe you are likely to find higher rates of crime.
Is that really so controversial or even surprising?
In your case a better comparator would be other more-or-less all white countries like Denmark, Norway or even Poland. How would you say Scotland stacks up against them criminality-wise?
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 2, 2023 20:44:26 GMT
Striking how bad the UK is compared to France, Germany and Italy. The UK having a larger migrant population than those countries seems to come with quite a cost. It might be not so much the absolute size of the migrant population as opposed to where it originates from. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 3, 2023 6:03:39 GMT
Yes I noticed that too, but then again it wasn't my my map. If it had been I'd have labelled the red bit 'England and Wales'. But that doesn't seem all that far off from the general theme that where you find higher numbers of migrants in Europe you are likely to find higher rates of crime. Is that really so controversial or even surprising? In your case a better comparator would be other more-or-less all white countries like Denmark, Norway or even Poland. How would you say Scotland stacks up against them criminality-wise? Scotland has more immigration as a percentage of the scottish popualtion than england , yet we have less robberies according to your own link. Its around 20 % of scotland are non scottish birth certificate holders , and its less than that for england and wales , (hard to get stats for england only.)
So thats a bit of a turd in your beer barrell isnt it? Further we see spain has high instance of robberies , like england and wales , so what is the common link do you think ? Non white immigration , or the chavs off the english council estates going to spain on holiday and commiting crimes?
I mean you could make up any number of wild specualtion of whats causing crime. Generally poverty is regarded as driving crime , not ethnicity.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 3, 2023 6:29:42 GMT
I mean you could make up any number of wild specualtion of whats causing crime. Generally poverty is regarded as driving crime , not ethnicity. given that the country that comes out with the lowest crime rate in Europe according to the map is Albania I'm not sure that explanation holds water.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 3, 2023 6:35:44 GMT
Scotland has more immigration as a percentage of the scottish popualtion than england , yet we have less robberies according to your own link. Its around 20 % of scotland are non scottish birth certificate holders , and its less than that for england and wales , are you sure about that? How many foreign-born people live in Scotland?
A total of 477,000 people born outside of the UK made up an estimated 9.0% of Scotland’s population of 5,311,000 in
2017, which is lower than the UK average of 14.4%. Migration Observatory Regional Profile |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 3, 2023 8:41:27 GMT
"Scotland has more immigration as a percentage of the scottish popualtion than england "
That's a big surprise, got a link for it?
"Generally poverty is regarded as driving crime , not ethnicity."
That being the case, you'd expect crime rates in relatively poor mono-ethnic Eastern European countries to be higher than in much more prosperous multi-ethnic Western Europe. But strangely enough, the inverse is true, how to explain eh?
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2023 6:28:37 GMT
Scotland has more immigration as a percentage of the scottish popualtion than england , yet we have less robberies according to your own link. Its around 20 % of scotland are non scottish birth certificate holders , and its less than that for england and wales , are you sure about that? How many foreign-born people live in Scotland?
A total of 477,000 people born outside of the UK made up an estimated 9.0% of Scotland’s population of 5,311,000 in
2017, which is lower than the UK average of 14.4%. Migration Observatory Regional Profileyou obviously cant read my post , nor your own link .
I said "non scottish birth certificate holders". your link talks of non uk citizens in scotland , two different things.
so aye im sure about that.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2023 6:39:13 GMT
I mean you could make up any number of wild specualtion of whats causing crime. Generally poverty is regarded as driving crime , not ethnicity. given that the country that comes out with the lowest crime rate in Europe according to the map is Albania I'm not sure that explanation holds water.. That map talks of the robbery rate in europe , not the overall crime rate. Tell me though , how do you reach your counclusion that poverty doesnt drive crime using albania as an example?
The uk multi national state is regarded as one of the wealthiest in europe. Possibly second to germany? Its wealth though is concentrated among a few , and not spread equally , which allows the uk state to also hold the inglorious record of having some of the poorest regions in the whole of europe.
So if you add the robbery figures for the uk state together , instead of the individual legal jurisdicitions of the uk state as the map does , by my reckoning it gives you a robbery figure of 191 , the highest in europe.
So. Second richest state , with highest robbery figures , unequal distribution of wealth ,with poorest regions of europe holds a lot of water when it comes to poverty driving crime.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 4, 2023 6:42:48 GMT
are you sure about that? How many foreign-born people live in Scotland?
A total of 477,000 people born outside of the UK made up an estimated 9.0% of Scotland’s population of 5,311,000 in
2017, which is lower than the UK average of 14.4%. Migration Observatory Regional Profileyou obviously cant read my post , nor your own link .
I said "non scottish birth certificate holders". your link talks of non uk citizens in scotland , two different things.
so aye im sure about that.
got a link for your figures as I always thought that Scotland was running a deficit in migration between there and other parts of the UK |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 4, 2023 6:46:08 GMT
given that the country that comes out with the lowest crime rate in Europe according to the map is Albania I'm not sure that explanation holds water.. That map talks of the robbery rate in europe , not the overall crime rate. Tell me though , how do you reach your counclusion that poverty doesnt drive crime using albania as an example?
Albania is one of the poorest regions in europe so why would it also have the lowest robbery rate in europe - does poverty only drive certain specific crimes?. Also if you are stealing because you are in poverty then surely you would expect that to be reflected in the robbery rate. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2023 6:48:31 GMT
"Scotland has more immigration as a percentage of the scottish popualtion than england " That's a big surprise, got a link for it? "Generally poverty is regarded as driving crime , not ethnicity." That being the case, you'd expect crime rates in relatively poor mono-ethnic Eastern European countries to be higher than in much more prosperous multi-ethnic Western Europe. But strangely enough, the inverse is true, how to explain eh? scotland native population , and i stress native as in scottish born , not uk or other , is around 83 % according to this article.
How so ? This isnt the 1980`s and the days of the iron curtain. The polish economy for example ir predicted to overtake the uk economy in the next decade so ive read , and many eastern european states are wealthier now than they have been in decades if not longer.
So if as predicted eastern europe and its citizens are growing richer , then you can see why proverty driving crime isnt a factor in your robbery figures.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2023 6:48:54 GMT
you obviously cant read my post , nor your own link .
I said "non scottish birth certificate holders". your link talks of non uk citizens in scotland , two different things.
so aye im sure about that.
got a link for your figures as I always thought that Scotland was running a deficit in migration between there and other parts of the UK see my link to dan . |
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