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Post by borchester on Aug 1, 2023 20:04:07 GMT
Poor cow.
Still, she should realise that the Scots take their politics seriously
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Post by thomas on Aug 2, 2023 6:05:38 GMT
Poor cow.
Still, she should realise that the Scots take their politics seriously
in what way borkie?
Not sure if you understand the politics at play here, but both labour and the snp activists were out supporting the recall of margaret ferrier in this constitiency. Between the two main political parties in scotland though , and their activists and party machinary , they managed to get less than 15 % of the locals to support ferriers recall.
I dont think it shows people taking this seriously do you? It was enough though.
The seat has traditionally been regarded as a labour safe seat , and polls are showing labour should re take it. I think though whatever happens it will be a bitter sweet outcome for both of us.
There are many people in scotland and england , for differing reasons , that want the snp to lose this seat. Im one of them. Margaret ferrier , despite her error in judgement over the chinese sniffles ,was and remains popular.
Scotland isnt going to move forward till the current snp are smashed root and branch. The flip side of the coin is labour getting in. Not only is that going to be bad for the locals , in yet another labour party benchwarmer getting in , but it will of course be spun as the electorate getting behind keir starmer whose popularity uk wide never mind scotland is at its lowest ebb for two years.
Obviously it will be spun as a disaster for scottish nationalism (but not quite true ) but it means you take one step closer to a labour government in westmisnter , and becoming a good european citizen once more.
So rather bitter sweet for both of us.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 4, 2023 17:14:08 GMT
I’m not sure party politics need much involvement here. A simple glance at what she actually DID shows she’s quite unfit to remain in her state funded (which means Funded by US) comfort zone.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2023 20:14:45 GMT
I’m not sure party politics need much involvement here. A simple glance at what she actually DID shows she’s quite unfit to remain in her state funded (which means Funded by US) comfort zone. your argument doesnt make a blind bit of sense john , as per normal.
You demand scottish irish and welsh people partake in english "democracy" which we "celts" pay towards , then bleat that "we" ( the myserious we") pay for her to have views you dont approve of?
Many mps are unift to remain in their seat ,surprisingly an an snp mp gets recalled .not.
She has been removed , by l;ess than 15 % of the electorate , under the dodgy westminster system , less than half who elected her can recall her. I wouldnt all theat democrayc , im sure you would when it works in your political favour.
The interesting thing going forward is who replaces her. There is enogu pro indy support , as alec salmond has said , in the seat to elect another indy mp. The trouble is becuase of the snp they are all inffighting.
Labour look seat to take the seat. If you believe though , that because scotland is going back to "normality" then you are a fool.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 5, 2023 13:10:48 GMT
I’m not sure party politics need much involvement here. A simple glance at what she actually DID shows she’s quite unfit to remain in her state funded (which means Funded by US) comfort zone. your argument doesnt make a blind bit of sense john , as per normal.
You demand scottish irish and welsh people partake in english "democracy" which we "celts" pay towards , then bleat that "we" ( the myserious we") pay for her to have views you dont approve of?
Many mps are unift to remain in their seat ,surprisingly an an snp mp gets recalled .not.
She has been removed , by l;ess than 15 % of the electorate , under the dodgy westminster system , less than half who elected her can recall her. I wouldnt all theat democrayc , im sure you would when it works in your political favour.
The interesting thing going forward is who replaces her. There is enogu pro indy support , as alec salmond has said , in the seat to elect another indy mp. The trouble is becuase of the snp they are all inffighting.
Labour look seat to take the seat. If you believe though , that because scotland is going back to "normality" then you are a fool.
Ok lets cut to the chase thomas. I can forgive someone going for a PCR test because they feel like shit, but then going out and about because they feel better, because the guidance on symptoms was so utterly bollox it was unbelievable But what we have here is an elected official who is part and parcel of the clampdown on freedom in the name of saving the country from extermination deliberately choosing to ignore the regulations that were utterly fucking categoric for those who had received confirmation of a positive test result because she was not in the mood to tolerate a - taxpayer funded in her case - stay in a London Hotel. And even i could be persuaded the receipts for such a stay should be rubber stamped by IPSO or whoever. But no, this bitch decided having been told he had the plague she would board a train and expose all on it to her pox in utter contempt of the rules This goes way, way beyond cummings, partygate and the antics of the welsh twat and his mincing health sidekick I say She deserved to be thrown over the terrace of parliament into the fucking thames. Are you saying she didnt ? Because what you said was that there was a concerted effort on the part of both SNP and Labour to organise a means to chuck her out but hardly anyone bothered to vote for it. What you didn’t say is whether the process was as fucking cumbersome as it was when we had a recall petition in this neck of the woods. In a clear measure to thwart the will of the people You had to rock up at some fucking ungodly hour at one of three council offices they didn’t advertise at a time no working person could ever have done so. A clear attempt to disenfranchise the outraged. And yet in that case enough did go out of their way to say enough was enough. As was the case here. I overlooked the fact i knew of this aggressive resistance to having their elected member ejected in the petition round our way. I don’t know if the process for her was equally rigged against ejection. If it was, and you were not aware, you might quite easily misinterpret a low response as a limited appetite for justice which that treacherous bastard of a speaker in office at the time of the earlier recall certainly tried to make out was the case. What were the voting figures for her expulsion ? i don’t give a monkeys who takes the seat from her. Becauze ut won’t be a tory and any other result will end in pukewirthy bollix by some opposition twat that they are on the road to crush Sunak. When all that has really happened is a bitch who was happy to infect a trainload of people has collected the only possible reward tgat makes sense |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2023 13:21:15 GMT
your argument doesnt make a blind bit of sense john , as per normal.
You demand scottish irish and welsh people partake in english "democracy" which we "celts" pay towards , then bleat that "we" ( the myserious we") pay for her to have views you dont approve of?
Many mps are unift to remain in their seat ,surprisingly an an snp mp gets recalled .not.
She has been removed , by l;ess than 15 % of the electorate , under the dodgy westminster system , less than half who elected her can recall her. I wouldnt all theat democrayc , im sure you would when it works in your political favour.
The interesting thing going forward is who replaces her. There is enogu pro indy support , as alec salmond has said , in the seat to elect another indy mp. The trouble is becuase of the snp they are all inffighting.
Labour look seat to take the seat. If you believe though , that because scotland is going back to "normality" then you are a fool.
Ok lets cut to the chase thomas. I can forgive someone going for a PCR test because they feel like shit, but then going out and about because they feel better, because the guidance on symptoms was so utterly bollox it was unbelievable But what we have here is an elected official who is part and parcel of the clampdown on freedom in the name of saving the country from extermination deliberately choosing to ignore the regulations that were utterly fucking categoric for those who had received confirmation of a positive test result because she was not in the mood to tolerate a - taxpayer funded in her case - stay in a London Hotel. And even i could be persuaded the receipts for such a stay should be rubber stamped by IPSO or whoever. But no, this bitch decided having been told he had the plague she would board a train and expose all on it to her pox in utter contempt of the rules This goes way, way beyond cummings, partygate and the antics of the welsh twat and his mincing health sidekick I say She deserved to be thrown over the terrace of parliament into the fucking thames. Are you saying she didnt ? Because what you said was that there was a concerted effort on the part of both SNP and Labour to organise a means to chuck her out but hardly anyone bothered to vote for it. What you didn’t say is whether the process was as fucking cumbersome as it was when we had a recall petition in this neck of the woods. In a clear measure to thwart the will of the people You had to rock up at some fucking ungodly hour at one of three council offices they didn’t advertise at a time no working person could ever have done so. A clear attempt to disenfranchise the outraged. And yet in that case enough did go out of their way to say enough was enough. As was the case here. I overlooked the fact i knew of this aggressive resistance to having their elected member ejected in the petition round our way. I don’t know if the process for her was equally rigged against ejection. If it was, and you were not aware, you might quite easily misinterpret a low response as a limited appetite for justice which that treacherous bastard of a speaker in office at the time of the earlier recall certainly tried to make out was the case. What were the voting figures for her expulsion ? john lets cut to the chase here. She made a mistake , there is no argument on that , but equally in the post covid world , and the things we have learned about the chinese sniffles , im not sure many people give a fuck
An example hs been made of her because she is a "nationalist " mp. Entirely self inflicted , i agree , but equally nonsense. There are hundreds of absolute roasters who benchwarm in that parliament of yours that equally deserve recalled and booted out who never get an ounce of scrutiny.
From memory less than 15 % of her constituents , some 11000 , which i believe is less than half the amount that got her elected.
I see this as a win win situation .
If the snp lose the seat , as predicted , its being a long term labour seat historically , and as salmond has said the nationalist candidates cutting each others throat instead of standing one candidate under scotland united , it could give the snp a much needed kick up the backside and potentially start a clear out of the dead sturgeon wood in the party. It also might not.
If labour fail to win the seat , then it could start alarm bells ringing through the entire uk , and show once again how the public arent enamoured , despite what the polls hint , with the lamentable keir starmer and his latest reincarnaiton of the red tories.
Ferriers gone. Its over for her as an snp mp , and her mistakes. Its now all about what happens in this by election and the general election in a year or so going forward.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 5, 2023 16:20:50 GMT
Ok i think it was rather more than ‘making a mistake’ but as you say she’s gone.
Ive looked at the seat profile and the constituency has only been around since 2005 i’ve no information on history before then but at the lowest point for labour following dossiergate the labour man got 56% to the Liberals 18, the SNP’s 14 and the Tories 8 and a half !
As you point out it was a bit of a tussle in 2010 with labour increasing the vote in spite of Brown but the SNP overtaking the liberal
The 2015 position saw a stonking SNP grab, 2017 saw a fall back to a marginal labour win of barely 200 votes and 2019 an SNP win of about 5000 votes over Labour.
Yeah, it might be fun to watch this space but i’ve no idea where to start on ‘punditing’ the result when it comes…
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Post by thomas on Aug 6, 2023 8:57:01 GMT
Ok i think it was rather more than ‘making a mistake’ but as you say she’s gone. Exactly. She broke the rules has been punished for it , and is gone. Meanwhile roasters like Nadine Dorries continue to collect a handsome salary for not turning up to represent her constituents.So you will forgive me as i said if i dont join in with you british and your crocodile tears and faux outrage over ferrier.
If you recalled every mp who has commited offences and behaved poorly in that parliament of yours , i would be surprised if you had many left.
of course there is a history before 2005 , and a famous one at that. The old two consituencies of rutherglen , and hamilton , have been labour strongholds since the 1960`s , and early twentieth century respectively. Hamilton of course was the scene of winnie ewings famous win for the snp in the sixties , but generaly that was considered a blip till the modern era.
From rumours im reading on the interwebby , labour are desperate to win this seat , with reports starmer is spending vast swathes of cash trying to win this by election. As i said , i see it as a win win either way. I wouldnt be shocked though , with starmers record ,if they dont win this by election . Havent seen any recent polling , but last i looked though it did seem labour might retake the seat .
The labour candidate is being slaughtered though in the media over london labour policies , and refuses to debate the snp candidate . I wouldnt be surprised to see keir starmer snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
anyway i thought this a decent article here on the upcoming by election
Politics has always failed the deprived people of Rutherglen
By-elections mark the historic rise of the SNP. Winnie Ewing’s victory in 1967 in Hamilton, Jim Sillars in Govan in 1988, Roseanna Cunningham in Perth & Kinross in 1995. In the absence of a parliament, these local ballots were regarded as superior opinion polls, judging the mood of the nation.
Now that Margaret Ferrier has been evicted from Rutherglen & Hamilton West, the coming by-election may be significant, but for different reasons.
The October vote is being held because Ferrier tested positive for Covid-19 in England and then travelled by train to Scotland. Dumped by the SNP, a local petition has led to her being slung out by her constituents. I have some sympathy for the Covid error in that she made a bad decision in a confusing time. As to the copper-bottomed arrogance of then staying on as an MP, there can be no excuse.
The contest in Rutherglen & Hamiton West is between Labour’s Michael Shanks and the SNP’s Katy Loudon. Other candidates will no doubt run, but as background players. It is being billed as key test of Humza Yousaf’s stand-up routine as first minister and Sir Keir Starmer’s mime performance as Labour leader. In the past three elections the seat has switched between Labour and the SNP. There is real drama, as the result will come just before the SNP’s annual conference
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 6, 2023 9:41:58 GMT
To be honest Thomas, i think every single chamber of elected office would benefit from a purge such as you mention in your comment. I’m not sure how to do it, but it needs to be done.
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Post by thomas on Aug 6, 2023 10:15:00 GMT
To be honest Thomas, i think every single chamber of elected office would benefit from a purge such as you mention in your comment. I’m not sure how to do it, but it needs to be done. sure john. We can help by taking the scottish element out of your parliament.
Anyway further to what i was saying above...
UK Labour 'hand Scottish group £1m in bid for 25 Westminster seats'
SCOTTISH Labour have been given £1 million by the central UK leadership in order to target 25 seats north of the Border at the next General Election, according to reports.
The money was sent to Anas Sarwar’s Scottish group after Keir Starmer “sacked Richard Leonard” as leader, according to Patrick Maguire in the Times.
It was also reported that the “backroom communications and campaigns staff” of Scottish and UK Labour have been “integrated” – suggesting the London team has taken control despite protestations to the contrary from the Scottish group.
On Wednesday, Jackie Baillie insisted that Scottish Labour were running the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election campaign.
But the previous day, Baillie's comments on the news that the petition to recall Margaret Ferrier was successful had oddly been emailed out by the UK team's press office, not the usual Scottish one
Scots are reportedly less keen on Starmer than Sarwar, suggesting that Scottish Labour will be keen to draw a dividing line between them and their leaders in London – even if it does not exist.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 6, 2023 10:35:28 GMT
As i think i have said a few times Thomas…..
Back in 2014 before the indyref i actually looked at the background, not the bullshit spouted by politicians and i was of the opinion then that while it would actually not be pleasant, a Scotland split from the UK might actually manage to make its way. The Scots would have found a few surprises courtesy of Salmand’s deliberate avoidance of certain questions but overall it might be doable and i did say this.
Also as i pointed out i wished you had voted to leave because i heard Barossa’s statement at the time as one of the five presidents that a split would reduce both constituent parts of the former UK to third parties to the EU requiring new agreements to continue as nembers and at the time resentment south of the border was far greater and a hard departure more likely. Which i would have applauded.
Today, frankly, i cant wait to be rid of Scotland. I wish you well in your future within the EU but i know right now that the Chinese Pox has so screwed the EU economy that Scotland will not remotely have the financial subsidy it gets from us and might have got in part had it gone in 2014 given the far healthier state of the contributing states among the other 26 at that time compared to now.
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Post by thomas on Aug 6, 2023 11:39:56 GMT
As i think i have said a few times Thomas….. Back in 2014 before the indyref i actually looked at the background, not the bullshit spouted by politicians and i was of the opinion then that while it would actually not be pleasant, a Scotland split from the UK might actually manage to make its way. The Scots would have found a few surprises courtesy of Salmand’s deliberate avoidance of certain questions but overall it might be doable and i did say this. Also as i pointed out i wished you had voted to leave because i heard Barossa’s statement at the time as one of the five presidents that a split would reduce both constituent parts of the former UK to third parties to the EU requiring new agreements to continue as nembers and at the time resentment south of the border was far greater and a hard departure more likely. Which i would have applauded. Today, frankly, i cant wait to be rid of Scotland. I wish you well in your future within the EU but i know right now that the Chinese Pox has so screwed the EU economy that Scotland will not remotely have the financial subsidy it gets from us and might have got in part had it gone in 2014 given the far healthier state of the contributing states among the other 26 at that time compared to now. We know john. As i repeatedly say , you still havent got over the irish 1916 rebellion and subsequent independence , never mind loss of empire. You will never know a moments peace while scotland remains in the british state.
what financial subsidy? for every one pound scotland has sent to your london treasurey , we have received back 55 pence to spend . Both starmer , and sunak , are basing their economic policies for greater england on scottish renewbales , and north sea oil and gas , not to mention much more scottish resources including sunaks 75 % taxation on our whiskey.
Northern ireland edges close to a uk exit from its half way house inside of the EU , the welsh are up in arms and support for indy growing , while your london politicians run around like headless chickens wondering what to do about the growing problems of a declining uk state.
We cant afford you any longer john. Or your navel gazing about empire.
Good luck for the by election in rutherglen. If your british imperial labour party do indeed win it , it could very well be a bitter two edged sword for you. It could well be the platform that launches the lamentable starmer into governance in a year or sos time. Then brussells will be saying welcome home north west europeans.
Meant to say , what happened to charlie in terms of sanctions and punishemnt as per ferrier regarding how he too travelled to scotland knowingly with covid symptoms? I dont think you mentioned him in your outrage about ferrier?
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Post by om15 on Aug 6, 2023 19:54:03 GMT
Do they have dentists in Scotland?
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2023 7:16:36 GMT
Do they have dentists in Scotland? More than you have........
Last year there were 55.6 dentists per 100,000 of the population providing NHS care in Scotland compared to 39.9 in England.
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Post by om15 on Aug 7, 2023 19:25:04 GMT
That was a sort of Jaydee response, you will be quoting data from the Scottish Asphalt Association next.
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