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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 18:35:20 GMT
The whole affair could have been sold to a generally willing public had the Mayor been savvy-enough to see it. He’s probably a nice guy with his heart in the right place. But he’s lacking enough vision to be a good politician. He could have found out about the whole spread of people who would be affected, planned to help them, and introduced his blue plaque legislation when it would have received applause from most of the Home Counties. Drivers in the inner London boroughs knew his was coming and, more importantly, residents mostly have good public transport. Most residents around the edges of Greater London have clean environments and would have changed their vehicles over the next few years, but their public transport is pants — so why advance things to before 2030…? Because the expansion is not about pollution and Khan's own figures prove it. It's about filling the holes in TFLs finances due to Khan's incompetence. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 19:33:46 GMT
Tell me Red, do you smoke around young children? Stop being a douche-bag, Monte. ULEZ in outer London has nothing to do with air quality. That's been well and truly debunked. Of course it has Squeaky, along with global warming and the efficacy of vaccines. As for Boris, he doesn't even know what a party is. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2023 19:34:26 GMT
The whole affair could have been sold to a generally willing public had the Mayor been savvy-enough to see it. He’s probably a nice guy with his heart in the right place. But he’s lacking enough vision to be a good politician. He could have found out about the whole spread of people who would be affected, planned to help them, and introduced his blue plaque legislation when it would have received applause from most of the Home Counties. Drivers in the inner London boroughs knew his was coming and, more importantly, residents mostly have good public transport. Most residents around the edges of Greater London have clean environments and would have changed their vehicles over the next few years, but their public transport is pants — so why advance things to before 2030…? Because the expansion is not about pollution and Khan's own figures prove it. It's about filling the holes in TFLs finances due to Khan's incompetence. I don’t believe that. In my opinion, Sadiq Khan is not really competent to run London without help. Unfortunately, his own experience has led him to want to reduce pollution asap. It's the “possible” that eludes him. He cannot take on board that a few more years’ grace would achieve more, and probably at less cost… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 28, 2023 21:35:54 GMT
So you're saying it doesn't go far enough and it should include the M25 as well? Well if its purely for air quality as you claim why not?. Make the whole country a ULEZ zone - what could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 22:01:25 GMT
So you're saying it doesn't go far enough and it should include the M25 as well? Well if its purely for air quality as you claim why not?. Make the whole country a ULEZ zone - what could possibly go wrong? Patience Grasshopper. One step at a time. Cities and town centres first. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 29, 2023 2:59:03 GMT
Because the expansion is not about pollution and Khan's own figures prove it. It's about filling the holes in TFLs finances due to Khan's incompetence. I don’t believe that. In my opinion, Sadiq Khan is not really competent to run London without help. Unfortunately, his own experience has led him to want to reduce pollution asap. It's the “possible” that eludes him. He cannot take on board that a few more years’ grace would achieve more, and probably at less cost… It's got very little to do with pollution, London air is cleaner today than it's been for at least 60 years. Khan cant back track because the first £200 million a year it's pulling in has already been spent, and 'expected' fines are factored in to revenues. It has nothing to do with air quality, ulez is just another hit on the motorist. Who knew. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 29, 2023 3:01:41 GMT
Stop being a douche-bag, Monte. ULEZ in outer London has nothing to do with air quality. That's been well and truly debunked. Of course it has Squeaky, along with global warming and the efficacy of vaccines. As for Boris, he doesn't even know what a party is. I should coco. Cake! What sort of a party is that? Starmer had beer & curry for 30 people, now that's a party. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 29, 2023 5:45:55 GMT
Where is the great smog now? Surely the quick of thinking would have realised I knew about previous pollution by my previous answer. I doubt ULEZ makes an iota of difference when it comes to the clean air act, stop being such a drama queen with your it must be because he is brown and a Muslim. It is unpopular because it has hurt a lot of people financially with little or no return or need for it. Well, I have to weigh up your ''doubt'' against the actual evidence. Just because the dangerous pollution isn't visible like the great smog it doesn't mean it isn't deadly. Oh I see, so because there isn't a pea Souper in sight it means because you cannot see one it might be an invisible one? you a great believer in magic by any chance? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2023 6:01:04 GMT
A legal dictatorship trumps democracy.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2023 6:41:05 GMT
The funny thing is that Ghengis Khan is trying to force the poor off the roads onto Public Transport when we already know that air pollution levels on the Underground are far worse than on the streets above.. ...but remember folks, it's all about air quality and nothing to do with raising money - no siree..  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 29, 2023 7:07:06 GMT
Khan't is toast at the next mayoral election and it won't do Labour any favours either.
It doesn't affect me, btw. My gas guzzlers are all compliant.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2023 7:17:51 GMT
Air quality is improving year on year with the existing rules anyway - you dont need new restrictions to make things better.  |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 29, 2023 11:07:50 GMT
The whole affair could have been sold to a generally willing public had the Mayor been savvy-enough to see it. He’s probably a nice guy with his heart in the right place. But he’s lacking enough vision to be a good politician. He could have found out about the whole spread of people who would be affected, planned to help them, and introduced his blue plaque legislation when it would have received applause from most of the Home Counties. Drivers in the inner London boroughs knew his was coming and, more importantly, residents mostly have good public transport. Most residents around the edges of Greater London have clean environments and would have changed their vehicles over the next few years, but their public transport is pants — so why advance things to before 2030…? Because the expansion is not about pollution and Khan's own figures prove it. It's about filling the holes in TFLs finances due to Khan's incompetence. I agree he now takes a larger slice of Council Tax, the Government ( taxpayers) have had to bail TFL at least twice over the last three or four years, he gave the Tube Drivers a 8% pay rise just before Covid arrived , now they are on strike again for more money , if I had my time over again I would be a Tube Driver with overtime they earn £100,000 a year, a very good pension and perks. They hold the taxpayers and traveling public to ransom, they damage the economy of London each each time the walk out on strike Khan may win the next election for Mayor he has the support of the large Muslim population the Mullahs will tell them to vote for him or not. We are getting out of London , its now too crowded, too noisy, too dirty, too expensive, and too bloody dangerous. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 29, 2023 13:28:01 GMT
Sadiq Khan will probably win the next election unless the Tory becomes consistently visible and more identifiable than Khan — who's heard of Susan Hall? Where is she? What's her message to Londoners?
A quick scan of the press coverage of her selection as the Tory candidate for Mayor of London at the time left me with the image of a less able and accomplished Nadine Dorries. I've not noticed anything since. Unless Hall becomes more visible, Khan is likely to get a third term...
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Post by patman post on Jul 29, 2023 14:04:59 GMT
I don’t believe that. In my opinion, Sadiq Khan is not really competent to run London without help. Unfortunately, his own experience has led him to want to reduce pollution asap. It's the “possible” that eludes him. He cannot take on board that a few more years’ grace would achieve more, and probably at less cost… It's got very little to do with pollution, London air is cleaner today than it's been for at least 60 years. Khan cant back track because the first £200 million a year it's pulling in has already been spent, and 'expected' fines are factored in to revenues. It has nothing to do with air quality, ulez is just another hit on the motorist. Who knew. You're not comparing like with like. The damage known to have been caused by the different constituents of pollution noted 60-70 years ago is now understood better.
Although the old "pea-soupers" are things of the past, there are still times when particulate (PM2.5) pollution is classified as High — and understanding of the adverse health effects of air pollution has improved, with studies showing more associated conditions, the effects at lower concentrations, and greater concern over the harms caused by long term exposure.
WHO's Air Quality Guidelines greatly reduced the level of pollution which could be considered “safe” and underlined the fact that there is still some way to go to achieving clean air — WHO states that the available evidence cannot currently identify levels of exposure that are risk free...
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