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Post by sheepy on Jul 28, 2023 16:56:43 GMT
I don't know you should ask him, not try and be so cunning, while hinting its because Khan is a Muslim, it isn't big or clever. What do you think I've been doing? Trying to come at him from a different angle, instead of asking why he doesn't like ULEZ, which if have bothered reading his answer to me will give you an idea. Personally I don't think it will get anyone very far as it has been sneakily put in under the radar of climate change. Which today is backed up as lawful. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 17:01:08 GMT
What do you think I've been doing? Trying to come at him from a different angle, instead of asking why he doesn't like ULEZ, which if have bothered reading his answer to me will give you an idea. Personally I don't think it will get anyone very far as it has been sneakily put in under the radar of climate change. Which today is backed up as lawful. No. It's not about climate change it's about air pollution killing children. Well everyone really but children especially since they are more vulnerable. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 28, 2023 17:03:11 GMT
Trying to come at him from a different angle, instead of asking why he doesn't like ULEZ, which if have bothered reading his answer to me will give you an idea. Personally I don't think it will get anyone very far as it has been sneakily put in under the radar of climate change. Which today is backed up as lawful. No. It's not about climate change it's about air pollution killing children. Well everyone really but children especially since they are more vulnerable. So we got there in the end eh Monte? although of course the air is cleaner than it has been for at least a couple of hundred years. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 17:05:49 GMT
Angela Raynor let the cat out of the bag, even though it's massively unpopular, Labour intend to expand Ulez all over the country. On the bright side, I suppose this is great news for the Tories. You must have been at the Battle of Trafalgar Square then protesting about the extremely unpopular Poll Tax. What with public opinion being so important. You must have really hated Maggie. I did hate Maggie at the time, that's because back then I was a clueless lefty. But like most clueless lefties I've grown out of it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 28, 2023 17:10:39 GMT
Trying to come at him from a different angle, instead of asking why he doesn't like ULEZ, which if have bothered reading his answer to me will give you an idea. Personally I don't think it will get anyone very far as it has been sneakily put in under the radar of climate change. Which today is backed up as lawful. No. It's not about climate change it's about air pollution killing children. Well everyone really but children especially since they are more vulnerable. Its got nothing to do with air pollution - its a money raising exercise to bail out TFL. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 17:15:37 GMT
No. It's not about climate change it's about air pollution killing children. Well everyone really but children especially since they are more vulnerable. So we got there in the end eh Monte? although of course the air is cleaner than it has been for at least a couple of hundred years. The smart ones would have got there right at the start. The air is better thanks to legislation on air pollution. Maybe you want to go back to burning dirty coal as well as allowing vehicles to spew out harmful particulates? Ever heard of the Great Smog in 1952 which caused the death of thousands and led to the Clean Air Act? Tory legislation with support from all parties. Where's that cross party support now? Vanished in a puff of smoke in favour of political point scoring. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 17:19:46 GMT
No. It's not about climate change it's about air pollution killing children. Well everyone really but children especially since they are more vulnerable. Its got nothing to do with air pollution - its a money raising exercise to bail out TFL. This isn't the conspiracy section. It's a public health matter. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 28, 2023 17:20:35 GMT
So we got there in the end eh Monte? although of course the air is cleaner than it has been for at least a couple of hundred years. The smart ones would have got there right at the start. The air is better thanks to legislation on air pollution. Maybe you want to go back to burning dirty coal as well as allowing vehicles to spew out harmful particulates? Ever heard of the Great Smog in 1952 which caused the death of thousands and led to the Clean Air Act? Tory legislation with support from all parties. Where's that cross party support now? Vanished in a puff of smoke in favour of political point scoring. Where is the great smog now? Surely the quick of thinking would have realised I knew about previous pollution by my previous answer. I doubt ULEZ makes an iota of difference when it comes to the clean air act, stop being such a drama queen with your it must be because he is brown and a Muslim. It is unpopular because it has hurt a lot of people financially with little or no return or need for it. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 17:43:06 GMT
The smart ones would have got there right at the start. The air is better thanks to legislation on air pollution. Maybe you want to go back to burning dirty coal as well as allowing vehicles to spew out harmful particulates? Ever heard of the Great Smog in 1952 which caused the death of thousands and led to the Clean Air Act? Tory legislation with support from all parties. Where's that cross party support now? Vanished in a puff of smoke in favour of political point scoring. Where is the great smog now? Surely the quick of thinking would have realised I knew about previous pollution by my previous answer. I doubt ULEZ makes an iota of difference when it comes to the clean air act, stop being such a drama queen with your it must be because he is brown and a Muslim. It is unpopular because it has hurt a lot of people financially with little or no return or need for it. Well, I have to weigh up your ''doubt'' against the actual evidence. Just because the dangerous pollution isn't visible like the great smog it doesn't mean it isn't deadly. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 28, 2023 17:45:02 GMT
Its got nothing to do with air pollution - its a money raising exercise to bail out TFL. This isn't the conspiracy section. It's a public health matter. Much of this new area that will be absorbed into ULEZ is green belt so very few houses are there and the busiest motorway in the country runs through the middle of one area. So what improvements anyone is expecting to see from banning Euro 5 cars when 50 yards away you have thousands of cars and trucks thundering past every hour is one of the great mysteries of the age. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 18:12:01 GMT
So you're saying it doesn't go far enough and it should include the M25 as well?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 18:25:30 GMT
Khan was always going to win the court case because parliament granted the mayor the power to impose such charges.
On the upside, it's almost certainly cost Khan the next mayoral election and Labour a fair few seats in the next GE.
And Starmer hasn't even opened his trap yet, which will cost them even more.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 18:30:13 GMT
...and there's the political point scoring I was on about.
Votes over the health of the population. The caring face of conservatism.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 18:32:10 GMT
Indeed, this is great news for Susan Hall, the Tory candidate who will replace him. She has said if elected the first thing she will do is scrap Ulez. Tell me Red, do you smoke around young children? Stop being a douche-bag, Monte. ULEZ in outer London has nothing to do with air quality. That's been well and truly debunked. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2023 18:32:58 GMT
The whole affair could have been sold to a generally willing public had the Mayor been savvy-enough to see it. He’s probably a nice guy with his heart in the right place. But he’s lacking enough vision to be a good politician. He could have found out about the whole spread of people who would be affected, planned to help them, and introduced his blue plaque legislation when it would have received applause from most of the Home Counties.
Drivers in the inner London boroughs knew his was coming and, more importantly, residents mostly have good public transport. Most residents around the edges of Greater London have clean environments and would have changed their vehicles over the next few years, but their public transport is pants — so why advance things to before 2030…?
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