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Post by Vinny on Nov 9, 2022 11:48:44 GMT
It's not a policy of "sending migrants back to Africa", its a policy of vetting asylum seekers overseas in Rwanda, to make it less appealing to bogus asylum seekers, legit ones have nothing to fear as they'd still be given asylum here.
As much as we may wish it to be, it is not an ideal world.
It is a world with criminals in it, criminals who will endanger the lives of other people, and for that matter, KILL other people, in order to make money.
We have a duty of care, if people drown trying to get here, we've failed in that.
If stopping people drowning requires us to upset and offend, as much as we may wish not to, it is our duty to take action that saves lives, not action that spares feelings.Vin, if you are going to talk in favour of the awful Rwanda policy, at least make sure you understand it first. Your first paragraph is just factually wrong. The rest is usual nonsense, but at least get the facts right. ^ Sorry but you're wrong. Present situation, which needs to end: news.sky.com/story/uk-and-french-services-left-rescue-of-more-than-30-drowning-migrants-in-channel-to-each-other-report-claims-12658965It's unacceptable for people to drown in the English channel. If being attractive to illegal immigrants kills illegal immigrants, then we need to be unattractive to them. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 9, 2022 11:56:14 GMT
Under the Rwanda policy, Vin, their claims will be processed while they are in Rwanda. Anyone found to be entitled to asylum will receive that asylum in Rwanda NOT in the UK as you claim.
its an odious policy from a failed Home Secretary aimed at tabloid headlines not at solving the problem.
I have outlined a sensible solution tothe problem avoiding unsafe channel crossings on several occasions.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 9, 2022 12:06:17 GMT
And it’s not terrorism. How many more times. It’s the deranged actions of the mentally disturbed. But one clearly motivated by far right extremism, according to the police who have investigated. So clearly a terrorist act Had it been a mentally deranged muslim motivated by islamic extremism, you'd not be denying the inherent terrorism. So you are a hypocrite. The act itself was a terrorist act motivated by political extremism, however deranged the perpetrator. And however much you personally might sympathise with his particular brand of extremism. I don’t sympathise with what was done. I make the point that the rabid left open borders nutters repeatedly describe acts of murderous violence such as that carried out at London Bridge where a Milwall supporter injured defending people under attack was denounced by antifa for taking on the racist, rabid islamist thugs with machetes some of whom the police had no Option but to SHOOT I question why the left routinely categorise those murdering scum as ‘mentally deranged’ instead of their true status as violent thugs demanding sharia law. It’s not me who is being hypocritical here |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 9, 2022 12:21:47 GMT
Dappy, any policy that rewards people smugglers, is a reckless policy that causes excess deaths.
A policy that does not reward people smugglers, which discourages people smuggling, no matter how odious it may appear to the left, so long as it does not kill anyone, is better, even if it offends.
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Post by dappy on Nov 9, 2022 12:23:05 GMT
At least you understand what the policy is now Vin.
I think the merits of the policy have been debated to death. I suggest we don't go round that loop again.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 9, 2022 12:35:39 GMT
Fair enough.
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Post by Orac on Nov 9, 2022 12:40:21 GMT
Under the Rwanda policy, Vin, their claims will be processed while they are in Rwanda. Anyone found to be entitled to asylum will receive that asylum in Rwanda NOT in the UK as you claim its an odious policy... Presumably this is counted as 'odious' because it doesn't result in any kind of forced entry into the UK and so, for you, this defeats what you feel is the 'entire point of asylum'. As people like yourself are unwilling to accept any compromise position, my prediction is the result will likely not be a compromise. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2022 14:26:14 GMT
...And Labour had a few antisemites... Said a socialist with an avatar that looks like Hitler.  |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 9, 2022 14:47:45 GMT
Under the Rwanda policy, Vin, their claims will be processed while they are in Rwanda. Anyone found to be entitled to asylum will receive that asylum in Rwanda NOT in the UK as you claim. its an odious policy from a failed Home Secretary aimed at tabloid headlines not at solving the problem. I have outlined a sensible solution tothe problem avoiding unsafe channel crossings on several occasions. All you have to do now is provide your solution to HM Government and several other interested parties. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 9, 2022 18:46:31 GMT
It really didn't take much working out they are illegal immigrants breaking the law which doesn't set much of an example for legal immigration. If they don't care for our law now they certainly won't care much about them further down the line, which in actual fact they have constantly shown to be true. That firebombing came out of the blue, from a sad old man, who'd lost his son to the jab and lost his willy to cancer. From what you say we are importing a more dangerous time bomb which will impact the whole of society as the gangs take over the streets. Let's hope you are wrong. The evidence so far says I am far from wrong, this isn't the first time the robotic Left has tried to cover it up either. As Racism or some other far right policy. While their leaders have tried to bury it under a bunch of lies. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2022 19:19:54 GMT
Now that the Police have had time to investigate the man who attacked the Migrant Holding Centre and know more about him, the conclusion by the Police according to days media is Andrew Leak, 66, from High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire, is believed to have killed himself after throwing two or three "crude" incendiary devices at the Western Jet Foil site, in Kent, last Sunday. Tim Jacques, senior national co-ordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing, said: "Assessing when this crosses the terrorism threshold is a complex process and needs to be carefully considered on a case-by-case basis. "These decisions need to be determined by the facts, as far as they can be established at any given time. "After considering the evidence collected so far in this case, whilst there are strong indications that mental health was likely a factor, I am satisfied that the suspect's actions were primarily driven by an extremist ideology. "This meets the threshold for a terrorist incident."
So this solitary unfortunate chap is considered a terrorist but the Extinction Rebellion / Stop Oil mob aren't?
Craziness.
I know, what with there trying to burn people alive Stop Oil are just as bad.... Oh wait, they just glued themselves to some roads. Still I expect that just as bad as firebombing people. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2022 19:31:53 GMT
Thing is Zany, our poor mental chap didn't kill anyone whereas people have died as a result of Stop Oils actions.
And our poor mental chap is now dead, so whatever you call him now it's rather irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 7:35:34 GMT
But one clearly motivated by far right extremism, according to the police who have investigated. So clearly a terrorist act Had it been a mentally deranged muslim motivated by islamic extremism, you'd not be denying the inherent terrorism. So you are a hypocrite. The act itself was a terrorist act motivated by political extremism, however deranged the perpetrator. And however much you personally might sympathise with his particular brand of extremism. I don’t sympathise with what was done. I make the point that the rabid left open borders nutters repeatedly describe acts of murderous violence such as that carried out at London Bridge where a Milwall supporter injured defending people under attack was denounced by antifa for taking on the racist, rabid islamist thugs with machetes some of whom the police had no Option but to SHOOT I question why the left routinely categorise those murdering scum as ‘mentally deranged’ instead of their true status as violent thugs demanding sharia law. It’s not me who is being hypocritical here I am afraid both the latest fire bomber and those you describe are mentally deranged. Both also subscribe to extremist ideology. Yet you want them to be viewed differently. That is hypocritical. Incidentally, I am of the left and have never sought to minimise islamic terrorism. Nor do most of my comrades. So that is just some false canard beloved of elements of the right. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2022 8:02:20 GMT
I don’t sympathise with what was done. I make the point that the rabid left open borders nutters repeatedly describe acts of murderous violence such as that carried out at London Bridge where a Milwall supporter injured defending people under attack was denounced by antifa for taking on the racist, rabid islamist thugs with machetes some of whom the police had no Option but to SHOOT I question why the left routinely categorise those murdering scum as ‘mentally deranged’ instead of their true status as violent thugs demanding sharia law. It’s not me who is being hypocritical here I was going to say much the same. It's funny how the left fall over themselves to blame mental health when an Islamic fundie commits a terrorist act, even if they have no prior history of mental health. Yet when someone like Thomas Mair, with a lifelong history of mental illness, goes off the rails they are instantly held up as "Evidence" of a rise of "Right wing extremism". It's a ridiculous narrative, yet it's being perpetrated by the media and even the police. But then it's easier to blame a random nut case than it is to solve the real problems in society. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 10, 2022 8:54:11 GMT
And what's the real problem in society?
And yes Mair had mental illness but can't see how having a obsession with cleaning himself and being radicalized by his far-right believes
Led to jo Cox murder.
If he had such mental condition has schizophrenia then yes his condition would of course been behind the attack.
Has for the left making up excuse that the Islamic terrorist had mental illness has a excuse for there attacks never come across it on the forums I been on.
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