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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 9:24:24 GMT
Well its been on news after a search of the mans home he was a home grown fascist and racist,wouldn't be surprised if they found a copy of Mein Kampf and a shrine to Hitler. The man suffered a series of setbacks in his life that would unbalance most men. It is strange that with all the Islamist attacks we have almost universal claims of mental health issues being the driving force and none of them have anything like the problems this man had. However the fixation with ensuring this is RW terrorist incident helps the narrative that RW is just as much a danger, if not more so, than any other terrorism and no doubt many are cock-a-hoop at at last finding a real live incident. So there is no way it is going to be classed as mental health. Yes, I have come to a similar conclusion and do believe the terrorism charge is politically motivated. Where's the Labour party to tell us how this man was let down by the state? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2022 9:34:47 GMT
The man suffered a series of setbacks in his life that would unbalance most men. It is strange that with all the Islamist attacks we have almost universal claims of mental health issues being the driving force and none of them have anything like the problems this man had. However the fixation with ensuring this is RW terrorist incident helps the narrative that RW is just as much a danger, if not more so, than any other terrorism and no doubt many are cock-a-hoop at at last finding a real live incident. So there is no way it is going to be classed as mental health. Yes, I have come to a similar conclusion and do believe the terrorism charge is politically motivated. Where's the Labour party to tell us how this man was let down by the state? Where were you when it was the other way round? |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 6, 2022 13:24:39 GMT
It wasn't the construction I was considering but his desire to throw his bombs at people he didn't even know. ZG, there are bombs, and there are bombs. We threw petrol bombs at one another during Northern Ireland training. There's a world of difference between a home made petrol bomb, and a 'bomb'. For instance, Salman Abedi murdered 23 people at the Manchester Arena, he used a bomb. Had he used a petrol bomb as in the Dover attack, there would have been no fatalities, just a few burns. Comparing a petrol bomb to a genuine bomb, is like comparing a BB gun to a Barrett rifle. There is no comparison. Exactly, the poor bugger who did it was hardly able to throw them the video shows he was sat in his car with one in his hand, not only did he have mental issues, but physical issues as well according to the media he used to have a motorised invalid scooter whatever they call them to get around, but could no longer afford the insurance |
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Post by patman post on Nov 6, 2022 13:57:08 GMT
"Quote: Exactly, the poor bugger who did it was hardly able to throw them the video shows he was sat in his car with one in his hand, not only did he have mental issues, but physical issues as well according to the media he used to have a motorised invalid scooter whatever they call them to get around, but could no longer afford the insurance"
But is that the point?
Surely anyone, who gets so indoctrinated with hate against people or organisations by material generally regarded as extreme that they set out to cause harm or injury to others (or their property) to express their feelings, can legitimately be described as radicalised?
And if violence is the way they choose to express their political views, can’t that be classed as terrorism?
The petrol bomb chucker may well have mental issues (and difficulties in the past that caused them), but had the bomber been arrested, I suggest their mental health should be secondary to knowing what triggered the idea that bombing was needed…
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2022 14:14:14 GMT
I think we need to feel sympathy for this poor man driven mad by his life, but then look to those who poisoned his mind with their words.
Those people who drive hatred and demand freedom of speech without facing the consequences of their words.
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Post by patman post on Nov 6, 2022 14:52:05 GMT
I think we need to feel sympathy for this poor man driven mad by his life, but then look to those who poisoned his mind with their words. Those people who drive hatred and demand freedom of speech without facing the consequences of their words. I suggest that sympathy would be more effective if it were there before any violence. Giving it after is putting the cart before the horse.
Once violence has happened, the how's and why's of the act need investigating immediately to see if it's an isolated incident or part of a campaign...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 15:05:06 GMT
I think we need to feel sympathy for this poor man driven mad by his life, but then look to those who poisoned his mind with their words. Those people who drive hatred and demand freedom of speech without facing the consequences of their words. How convenient for those who have actually failed the people. Witch smelling and book burning to hide the effects of institutional failure. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2022 15:38:14 GMT
I think we need to feel sympathy for this poor man driven mad by his life, but then look to those who poisoned his mind with their words. Those people who drive hatred and demand freedom of speech without facing the consequences of their words. I suggest that sympathy would be more effective if it were there before any violence. Giving it after is putting the cart before the horse.
Once violence has happened, the how's and why's of the act need investigating immediately to see if it's an isolated incident or part of a campaign...
Well obviously, but as we didn't know him or his issues that would be difficult. However the people who corrupted his mind, they had a chance to know him and help him instead of encouraging him to blame his circumstances on a tiny group of people who had little effect on them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 15:49:41 GMT
I suggest that sympathy would be more effective if it were there before any violence. Giving it after is putting the cart before the horse.
Once violence has happened, the how's and why's of the act need investigating immediately to see if it's an isolated incident or part of a campaign...
Well obviously, but as we didn't know him or his issues that would be difficult. However the people who corrupted his mind, they had a chance to know him and help him instead of encouraging him to blame his circumstances on a tiny group of people who had little effect on them. What people? There's no evidence that it wasn't an isolated incident. He was a mentally ill loner who started a fire then killed himself. Nobody else is responsible for his actions.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2022 16:37:50 GMT
Well obviously, but as we didn't know him or his issues that would be difficult. However the people who corrupted his mind, they had a chance to know him and help him instead of encouraging him to blame his circumstances on a tiny group of people who had little effect on them. What people? There's no evidence that it wasn't an isolated incident. He was a mentally ill loner who started a fire then killed himself. Nobody else is responsible for his actions.
Haven't the police got evidence he was radicalised? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 17:54:09 GMT
Thomas meir the neo nazi murderer of the labour MP was also said to be mentally ill.
Think there seems to be a connection between Nazism and Mental illness.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2022 18:02:44 GMT
Thomas meir the neo nazi murderer of the labour MP was also said to be mentally ill. Think there seems to be a connection between Nazism and Mental illness. Gosh, who'd have thought it. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 6, 2022 18:16:15 GMT
Most people who commit terrorist offences have mental illness. It seems for some they are regarded very differently dependent on whether they commit their terrorist acts from far right or Islamic radicalization. If the former, some of the most radicalised posters on this board can’t bring themselves to even condemn the terrorist action.
Fortunately in this case no serious harm was done except to the perpetrator himself.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 6, 2022 18:17:05 GMT
Thomas meir the neo nazi murderer of the labour MP was also said to be mentally ill. Think there seems to be a connection between Nazism and Mental illness. Gosh, who'd have thought it. Many of the top nazi's in hitlers mob had mental issues including hitler. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 6, 2022 18:40:29 GMT
Who gave him the mental problems? have the new progressives put their hands up yet being truly woke maybe they should have a look in the mirror, that's not saying I agree with what he did, but as we are playing the blame game, maybe it's time we get to the real bottom of this rabbit hole!
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