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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 15:50:45 GMT
Rather crudely made Molotov Cocktails that many people know how to make, he made his with fireworks attached to them I think two did not work, he was not playing with a full deck "mental health issues following the death of his son and had his penis removed because of cancer."
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 5, 2022 15:55:49 GMT
Rather crudely made Molotov Cocktails that many people know how to make, he made his with fireworks attached to them I think two did not work, he was not playing with a full deck It wasn't the construction I was considering but his desire to throw his bombs at people he didn't even know. ZG, there are bombs, and there are bombs. We threw petrol bombs at one another during Northern Ireland training. There's a world of difference between a home made petrol bomb, and a 'bomb'. For instance, Salman Abedi murdered 23 people at the Manchester Arena, he used a bomb. Had he used a petrol bomb as in the Dover attack, there would have been no fatalities, just a few burns. Comparing a petrol bomb to a genuine bomb, is like comparing a BB gun to a Barrett rifle. There is no comparison. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 5, 2022 16:00:49 GMT
"mental health issues following the death of his son and had his penis removed because of cancer."
I would love to know what parties in opposition would do to solve this problem. Apart from compound it. That's precisely the problem. When it comes to stopping the illegal invasion from the EU this government have shown themselves to be totally incompetent. But would it be any better if Labour were in government? Probably not. Perhaps we need a new party, a right wing party that puts this country first? Wouldn't that make a nice change. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 16:04:44 GMT
I would love to know what parties in opposition would do to solve this problem. Apart from compound it. That's precisely the problem. When it comes to stopping the illegal invasion from the EU this government have shown themselves to be totally incompetent. But would it be any better if Labour were in government? Probably not. Perhaps we need a new party, a right wing party that puts this country first? Wouldn't that make a nice change.Wouldn't it just. But the swamp would have to be drained also. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 16:29:30 GMT
It wasn't the construction I was considering but his desire to throw his bombs at people he didn't even know. ZG, there are bombs, and there are bombs. We threw petrol bombs at one another during Northern Ireland training. There's a world of difference between a home made petrol bomb, and a 'bomb'. For instance, Salman Abedi murdered 23 people at the Manchester Arena, he used a bomb. Had he used a petrol bomb as in the Dover attack, there would have been no fatalities, just a few burns. Comparing a petrol bomb to a genuine bomb, is like comparing a BB gun to a Barrett rifle. There is no comparison. I agree Red, he was not a well financed radical, a bit more like the tit who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer. Still radicalised though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 18:08:49 GMT
I would say the system is radicalised and that the conclusion is a tad politically motivated and intended to close down the discussion. I just see too many problems with it. Let's face it we've seen similar from AntiFA when they're attacking the police.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 18:50:49 GMT
I would say the system is radicalised and that the conclusion is a tad politically motivated and intended to close down the discussion. I just see too many problems with it. Let's face it we've seen similar from AntiFA when they're attacking the police. If the system was radicalised then you would expect to see the system on one side and the people on the other. The fact that the system is in the middle with extremists on both edges implies that the system represents most of the people. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 19:06:49 GMT
I would say the system is radicalised and that the conclusion is a tad politically motivated and intended to close down the discussion. I just see too many problems with it. Let's face it we've seen similar from AntiFA when they're attacking the police. If the system was radicalised then you would expect to see the system on one side and the people on the other. The fact that the system is in the middle with extremists on both edges implies that the system represents most of the people. You don't much hear of the young being radicalised by the far-left. It's exclusive to the so-called opposite, and that's because the system relies on left wing charities. It's why antifa riots, attacks on speakers and general violence has been treated as cute, and even used to push policy and silence people, because the far-left violence threatens the institution.
I'm not condoning any of it, I just question the terrorism claim, when it looks like arson by somebody who appears to have been severely let down and suffering from an acute mental illness (he commited suicide).
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 19:57:47 GMT
If the system was radicalised then you would expect to see the system on one side and the people on the other. The fact that the system is in the middle with extremists on both edges implies that the system represents most of the people. You don't much hear of the young being radicalised by the far-left. It's exclusive to the so-called opposite, and that's because the system relies on left wing charities. It's why antifa riots, attacks on speakers and general violence has been treated as cute, and even used to push policy and silence people, because the far-left violence threatens the institution.
I'm not condoning any of it, I just question the terrorism claim, when it looks like arson by somebody who appears to have been severely let down and suffering from an acute mental illness (he commited suicide).
I find this a lot. That someone who disagrees with the views of others assumes they must be radicalised. "Otherwise how could they disagree with me?" Truth is only a very small number of young people are in antifa. Very many more do not agree with your position without being radical. Just as you do agree with your position without being radical. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 20:19:09 GMT
You don't much hear of the young being radicalised by the far-left. It's exclusive to the so-called opposite, and that's because the system relies on left wing charities. It's why antifa riots, attacks on speakers and general violence has been treated as cute, and even used to push policy and silence people, because the far-left violence threatens the institution.
I'm not condoning any of it, I just question the terrorism claim, when it looks like arson by somebody who appears to have been severely let down and suffering from an acute mental illness (he commited suicide).
I find this a lot. That someone who disagrees with the views of others assumes they must be radicalised. "Otherwise how could they disagree with me?" Truth is only a very small number of young people are in antifa. Very many more do not agree with your position without being radical. Just as you do agree with your position without being radical. They use violence, which they justify to achieve their aims. They're joined by collectivist ideology, and recruit online where numbers would depend on what is going on. Like I said, I have not really heard about far-left radicalisation, and that's probably because it's closer to the normal than the position you previous stated to be at the centre. There are charities, who share and sympathise with their ideology, who advise government from time to time. They exclude far-left from the radicalisation and extremism catalog, where far-right is the accumulation of all evil.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 21:15:57 GMT
I find this a lot. That someone who disagrees with the views of others assumes they must be radicalised. "Otherwise how could they disagree with me?" Truth is only a very small number of young people are in antifa. Very many more do not agree with your position without being radical. Just as you do agree with your position without being radical. They use violence, which they justify to achieve their aims. They're joined by collectivist ideology, and recruit online where numbers would depend on what is going on. Like I said, I have not really heard about far-left radicalisation, and that's probably because it's closer to the normal than the position you previous stated to be at the centre. There are charities, who share and sympathise with their ideology, who advise government from time to time. They exclude far-left from the radicalisation and extremism catalog, where far-right is the accumulation of all evil.
This does not seem to me to be a response to my post, but simply a repeat of your thoughts. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 21:25:14 GMT
They use violence, which they justify to achieve their aims. They're joined by collectivist ideology, and recruit online where numbers would depend on what is going on. Like I said, I have not really heard about far-left radicalisation, and that's probably because it's closer to the normal than the position you previous stated to be at the centre. There are charities, who share and sympathise with their ideology, who advise government from time to time. They exclude far-left from the radicalisation and extremism catalog, where far-right is the accumulation of all evil.
This does not seem to me to be a response to my post, but simply a repeat of your thoughts. If you don't believe young people who are radicalised to use political violence in a collective is radicalisation then sure, you will completely miss the point. If you're supportive, even as a reaction to those you do disagree with, then you're obviously not in that centred position. That's the point of my argument.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 21:56:05 GMT
This does not seem to me to be a response to my post, but simply a repeat of your thoughts. If you don't believe young people who are radicalised to use political violence in a collective is not radicalisation then sure, you will completely miss the point. If you're supportive, even as a reaction to those you do disagree with, then you're obviously not in that centred position. That's the point of my argument.
I was hoping you'd go back and read my post, rather than just assume I must be wrong. I never thought for a second that people who are radicalised to use political violence in a collective is not radicalisation. Yes ofcourse the radical left are radical. What I said was that most young people are not in that group. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2022 22:25:19 GMT
Well its been on news after a search of the mans home he was a home grown fascist and racist,wouldn't be surprised if they found a copy of Mein Kampf and a shrine to Hitler. The man suffered a series of setbacks in his life that would unbalance most men. It is strange that with all the Islamist attacks we have almost universal claims of mental health issues being the driving force and none of them have anything like the problems this man had. However the fixation with ensuring this is RW terrorist incident helps the narrative that RW is just as much a danger, if not more so, than any other terrorism and no doubt many are cock-a-hoop at at last finding a real live incident. So there is no way it is going to be classed as mental health. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2022 7:34:27 GMT
Well its been on news after a search of the mans home he was a home grown fascist and racist,wouldn't be surprised if they found a copy of Mein Kampf and a shrine to Hitler. The man suffered a series of setbacks in his life that would unbalance most men. It is strange that with all the Islamist attacks we have almost universal claims of mental health issues being the driving force and none of them have anything like the problems this man had. However the fixation with ensuring this is RW terrorist incident helps the narrative that RW is just as much a danger, if not more so, than any other terrorism and no doubt many are cock-a-hoop at at last finding a real live incident. So there is no way it is going to be classed as mental health. In all fairness Sandy, I can readily hear you scoffing at leftie snow flakes when they made such claims. Sauce for the goose..... Why not just accept both extremes throw off terrorists. Surely a better reason than any to make the rhetoric on the internet more measured. |
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