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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2023 21:32:22 GMT
They already are on the ferries if they have broken down. So if you break down in France and need to get your EV brought back to the UK on a recovery truck you will have massive problems - it will probably end up being scrapped. What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. Yes, because every EV carts around a spare battery just like every ICE vehicle takes a spare engine around with them. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 29, 2023 22:32:05 GMT
What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. Yes, because every EV carts around a spare battery just like every ICE vehicle takes a spare engine around with them. With the Feds like they are it would be a good idea to just buy one the size of a car battery like a spare can of petrol, knowing the gauges are not that clever. It will get you to the garage or charger. I remember I drove all the way to Milan on my bike and was smart when enough to bring some tools. Just outside Milan my clutch screwed up so I drive without a clutch to a bike shop, bought the part and fitted it on the roadside. I don't pay the highway robbers. Another time I was in a car with a tyre blown out on the motorway, had a spare but no spanners so I spoke to the cops on the phone, said i was fixing it, climbed over the motorway fence into a housing estate in brum land and super kind maty lent me his spanners. Proles would pay £150 instead. I did it in a few minutes. You have to use your nut basically. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 30, 2023 2:56:04 GMT
They already are on the ferries if they have broken down. So if you break down in France and need to get your EV brought back to the UK on a recovery truck you will have massive problems - it will probably end up being scrapped. What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. Steering, Suspension, Braking. And the 12V battery As i mentioned in another thread i owned a Nissan Leaf. A few months after i bought it we took it out to a restaurant and on getting into it to come home i pressed the start button and sod all happenned. The 12V battery had drained. I do not know how. I did not leave any systems on to drain it . With no 12V battery power the car had no control over the high voltage drive and the circuit that charged the 12V battery from the motive power batteries to run the 12V electrics was not functional nor was any of the regenerative braking system. I was brought home by Green Flag after a three hour wait, Mrs Jog having taken a taxi home….. The next day the solar panel trickle charged the 12V system JUST enough to restore the system but it had hard reset …. I bought a new 12V battery the next day. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 30, 2023 8:19:08 GMT
You are correct if your car can run on liquid petroleum gas (LPG) or is a dual fuel vehicle, it will not be allowed to board the train, even if your LPG or alternative fuel tank is completely empty. That includes all new Dacia Bi-Fuel models. On the other hand, the batch of vacant parking spaces for EVs in front of the terminal and duty-free entrance is an inducement to move away from old-hat LPG that’s more suited to taxis and rail station luggage transport… There is not enough charging stations available now to meet demand, we only have seven years time to put them in place to serve over 30 million plus vehicles 24/7 it takes time to recharge these huge heavy lithium batteries, by then we may have hydrogen fuelled vehicles as well, I don't fancy driving a vehicle powered by hydrogen highly inflammable petrol is risky enough as it is. Some people think that the end game is to force people off the road IMO they could be right , which would mean the only way that some could travel to work or holiday within the UK visit friends and family's would be by public transport, such as Rail Coaches and buses, the Marxists Union Leaders would have a field day we want more money or else |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 30, 2023 8:22:32 GMT
What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. Steering, Suspension, Braking. And the 12V battery As i mentioned in another thread i owned a Nissan Leaf. A few months after i bought it we took it out to a restaurant and on getting into it to come home i pressed the start button and sod all happenned. The 12V battery had drained. I do not know how. I did not leave any systems on to drain it . With no 12V battery power the car had no control over the high voltage drive and the circuit that charged the 12V battery from the motive power batteries to run the 12V electrics was not functional nor was any of the regenerative braking system. I was brought home by Green Flag after a three hour wait, Mrs Jog having taken a taxi home….. The next day the solar panel trickle charged the 12V system JUST enough to restore the system but it had hard reset …. I bought a new 12V battery the next day. Breakdown Services such as the AA and RAC are having to attend EV's stranded with drained flat batteries 24/7 all over the UK |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 30, 2023 9:49:56 GMT
What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. Steering, Suspension, Braking. And the 12V battery As i mentioned in another thread i owned a Nissan Leaf. A few months after i bought it we took it out to a restaurant and on getting into it to come home i pressed the start button and sod all happenned. The 12V battery had drained. I do not know how. I did not leave any systems on to drain it . With no 12V battery power the car had no control over the high voltage drive and the circuit that charged the 12V battery from the motive power batteries to run the 12V electrics was not functional nor was any of the regenerative braking system. I was brought home by Green Flag after a three hour wait, Mrs Jog having taken a taxi home….. The next day the solar panel trickle charged the 12V system JUST enough to restore the system but it had hard reset …. I bought a new 12V battery the next day. Brakes are a roadside job, steering should never go, suspension well that often wears gradually, but you could switch the shock absorber if you really had to. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2023 11:14:38 GMT
What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. Steering, Suspension, Braking. And the 12V battery As i mentioned in another thread i owned a Nissan Leaf. A few months after i bought it we took it out to a restaurant and on getting into it to come home i pressed the start button and sod all happenned. The 12V battery had drained. I do not know how. I did not leave any systems on to drain it . With no 12V battery power the car had no control over the high voltage drive and the circuit that charged the 12V battery from the motive power batteries to run the 12V electrics was not functional nor was any of the regenerative braking system. I was brought home by Green Flag after a three hour wait, Mrs Jog having taken a taxi home….. The next day the solar panel trickle charged the 12V system JUST enough to restore the system but it had hard reset …. I bought a new 12V battery the next day. ICEs also have flat battery problems. What, apart from not being able to push start, would have been the problem your Leaf that a kind passing motorist with jumper leads wouldn’t have been able to cure (assuming it was only a 12V battery or normal charging problem)…? |
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2023 11:16:37 GMT
Steering, Suspension, Braking. And the 12V battery As i mentioned in another thread i owned a Nissan Leaf. A few months after i bought it we took it out to a restaurant and on getting into it to come home i pressed the start button and sod all happenned. The 12V battery had drained. I do not know how. I did not leave any systems on to drain it . With no 12V battery power the car had no control over the high voltage drive and the circuit that charged the 12V battery from the motive power batteries to run the 12V electrics was not functional nor was any of the regenerative braking system. I was brought home by Green Flag after a three hour wait, Mrs Jog having taken a taxi home….. The next day the solar panel trickle charged the 12V system JUST enough to restore the system but it had hard reset …. I bought a new 12V battery the next day. Breakdown Services such as the AA and RAC are having to attend EV's stranded with drained flat batteries 24/7 all over the UK Bit of an exaggeration there — personally I’m seeing more squashed foxes and cats littering the roads than stranded EVs with flat batteries… |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 30, 2023 11:20:57 GMT
Steering, Suspension, Braking. And the 12V battery As i mentioned in another thread i owned a Nissan Leaf. A few months after i bought it we took it out to a restaurant and on getting into it to come home i pressed the start button and sod all happenned. The 12V battery had drained. I do not know how. I did not leave any systems on to drain it . With no 12V battery power the car had no control over the high voltage drive and the circuit that charged the 12V battery from the motive power batteries to run the 12V electrics was not functional nor was any of the regenerative braking system. I was brought home by Green Flag after a three hour wait, Mrs Jog having taken a taxi home….. The next day the solar panel trickle charged the 12V system JUST enough to restore the system but it had hard reset …. I bought a new 12V battery the next day. Brakes are a roadside job, steering should never go, suspension well that often wears gradually, but you could switch the shock absorber if you really had to. do you know anything at all about EV’s ? If you did you would know the braking system is largely regenerative like the inter city 125 trains. And is therefore made inoperative by a 12V failure as the system cannot control the charging/ recharging You asked what the reasons for a breakdown might be. I just handed you a few from my observations while driving 100k miles a yesr as a freelancer, of the state of the various vehicles i passed stuck in the hard shoulder with bits hanging off. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 30, 2023 11:24:54 GMT
Breakdown Services such as the AA and RAC are having to attend EV's stranded with drained flat batteries 24/7 all over the UK Bit of an exaggeration there — personally I’m seeing more squashed foxes and cats littering the roads than stranded EVs with flat batteries… onviously they are better than the welsh ambulance service. The price of my green flag renewal doubled as soon as i bought an EV. Why do you think that was ? I’d say personally the companies whose bread and butter is roadside rescue think i’m going to be a greater liability even though my mileage went from 40,000 to 5,000. (I changed my job and now work from home and zero callouts except for dire emergency) |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 30, 2023 11:40:49 GMT
Brakes are a roadside job, steering should never go, suspension well that often wears gradually, but you could switch the shock absorber if you really had to. do you know anything at all about EV’s ? If you did you would know the braking system is largely regenerative like the inter city 125 trains. And is therefore made inoperative by a 12V failure as the system cannot control the charging/ recharging You asked what the reasons for a breakdown might be. I just handed you a few from my observations while driving 100k miles a yesr as a freelancer, of the state of the various vehicles i passed stuck in the hard shoulder with bits hanging off. Yes you are right about regenerative braking. I was thinking about disk brakes. You can replace the pads without much trouble. I've done it myself.
By the way, to imply I do not know anything about EVs is clearly wrong. I'm not the idiot you think I am.
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2023 11:41:56 GMT
Bit of an exaggeration there — personally I’m seeing more squashed foxes and cats littering the roads than stranded EVs with flat batteries… onviously they are better than the welsh ambulance service. The price of my green flag renewal doubled as soon as i bought an EV. Why do you think that was ? I’d say personally the companies whose bread and butter is roadside rescue think i’m going to be a greater liability even though my mileage went from 40,000 to 5,000. (I changed my job and now work from home and zero callouts except for dire emergency) The only personal experience with roadside rescue services is through Mrs P’s hybrid, and she’s had AA, Green Flag and (currently) RAC as part of her insurance packages. I don’t know the actual cost, but it doesn’t appear that much more than for her previous Peugeot ICE hatch, given that was about six years ago… |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 30, 2023 11:42:47 GMT
Breakdown Services such as the AA and RAC are having to attend EV's stranded with drained flat batteries 24/7 all over the UK Bit of an exaggeration there — personally I’m seeing more squashed foxes and cats littering the roads than stranded EVs with flat batteries… The Breakdown Services have to rescue more petrol and diesel's cars that either breakdown or run out of fuel for the simple reason there are more of them than EV's, all they need is a bit of fuel to get them to the nearest Petrol Station EV's with flat batteries is not that easy, they have problems as they can't tow them, they have to lift them to remove them to the nearest charging station if one is available. As for where you live all you can see its acres of graffiti, dirty streets and fly tips, muggers and buggers on the street corners  |
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2023 12:02:34 GMT
Bit of an exaggeration there — personally I’m seeing more squashed foxes and cats littering the roads than stranded EVs with flat batteries… The Breakdown Services have to rescue more petrol and diesel's cars that either breakdown or run out of fuel for the simple reason there are more of them than EV's, all they need is a bit of fuel to get them to the nearest Petrol Station EV's with flat batteries is not that easy, they have problems as they can't tow them, they have to lift them to remove them to the nearest charging station if one is available. As for where you live all you can see its acres of graffiti, dirty streets and fly tips, muggers and buggers on the street corners EVs like the newer Nissan Leafs, Chevy Volts and others are equipped with neutral modes to disconnect the wheels from the drive train. This seems to be a growing trend. For the rest, towing contractors can fit axle trolleys to allow the rear to run on the road with the front lifted as normal. Not that unusual as some breakdowns of ICE vehicles lock the driving axle. Where I live, along the tree-lined streets the lights incorporate EV charging points, plus there are dedicated fast chargers and the local BP has put in a whole bank of chargers… |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 30, 2023 12:14:26 GMT
The Breakdown Services have to rescue more petrol and diesel's cars that either breakdown or run out of fuel for the simple reason there are more of them than EV's, all they need is a bit of fuel to get them to the nearest Petrol Station EV's with flat batteries is not that easy, they have problems as they can't tow them, they have to lift them to remove them to the nearest charging station if one is available. As for where you live all you can see its acres of graffiti, dirty streets and fly tips, muggers and buggers on the street corners EVs like the newer Nissan Leafs, Chevy Volts and others are equipped with neutral modes to disconnect the wheels from the drive train. This seems to be a growing trend. For the rest, towing contractors can fit axle trolleys to allow the rear to run on the road with the front lifted as normal. Not that unusual as some breakdowns of ICE vehicles lock the driving axle. Where I live, along the tree-lined streets the lights incorporate EV charging points, plus there are dedicated fast chargers and the local BP has put in a whole bank of chargers… You have already told me about the charging points where you are, , yes some EV's can be towed but not all as far as I am aware . |
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