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Post by wapentake on Jul 26, 2023 9:00:28 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 26, 2023 9:12:09 GMT
Who's cars were they?
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Post by wapentake on Jul 26, 2023 9:25:28 GMT
German presumably.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 26, 2023 10:09:07 GMT
Taking high powered batteries abroad, in quantity (media uses a LOT of batteries), involves a lot of faff - for very good reasons.
It's usually easier to have the Electrical Crew (the Grips, etc) have someone go by ferry and road to a European location, rather than go through the rigmarole of putting them on a flight.
Of course, people queue up for the job: A pleasant voyage, a night (or more - depending on the distance) in a nice hotel, and incidental expenses along the way - who wouldn't?
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 26, 2023 11:02:40 GMT
Thats the second one - a ship sank in the Atlantic last year that was full of EV's that caught fire. Looks like it is going to be a growing problem.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2023 19:01:34 GMT
Thats the second one - a ship sank in the Atlantic last year that was full of EV's that caught fire. Looks like it is going to be a growing problem. Oh dear, what a tragedy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 29, 2023 12:45:28 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 29, 2023 13:04:22 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. The problem is the fire gets very hot, so it is difficult to manage. Petrol fires are apparently easier. You can see how the heat would cause a chain reaction with all the other batteries once it goes critical. Similar physics to the nuclear bomb. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 29, 2023 14:35:50 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. The problem is the fire gets very hot, so it is difficult to manage. Petrol fires are apparently easier. You can see how the heat would cause a chain reaction with all the other batteries once it goes critical. Similar physics to the nuclear bomb. yes, quite. I don’t know if you remember but a few years ago there was a pretty catastrophic conventional fire in the tunnel when something flammable on the high vehicle transporter went up. Lorries and high vehicles unable to drive into the main train are loaded onto carriages that look like a car transporter trailer and passengers ride in a special coach car a bit line the eurostar but lots less comfortable. Anyway the lorry or its cargo went up and as per protocol the train carried on out of the tunnel to an emergency siding. The infero trashed anything behind it thanks to the high speed air current and the tunnel itself was pretty badly trashed. If a car went up i think they have halon in the car carriers but it doesnt bear thinking about |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 29, 2023 14:36:24 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. You are correct if your car can run on liquid petroleum gas (LPG) or is a dual fuel vehicle, it will not be allowed to board the train, even if your LPG or alternative fuel tank is completely empty. That includes all new Dacia Bi-Fuel models. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 29, 2023 15:24:59 GMT
The problem is the fire gets very hot, so it is difficult to manage. Petrol fires are apparently easier. You can see how the heat would cause a chain reaction with all the other batteries once it goes critical. Similar physics to the nuclear bomb. yes, quite. I don’t know if you remember but a few years ago there was a pretty catastrophic conventional fire in the tunnel when something flammable on the high vehicle transporter went up. Lorries and high vehicles unable to drive into the main train are loaded onto carriages that look like a car transporter trailer and passengers ride in a special coach car a bit line the eurostar but lots less comfortable. Anyway the lorry or its cargo went up and as per protocol the train carried on out of the tunnel to an emergency siding. The infero trashed anything behind it thanks to the high speed air current and the tunnel itself was pretty badly trashed. If a car went up i think they have halon in the car carriers but it doesnt bear thinking about I think the chemistry is a trade-off. You can get cells that give over double the energy density (non-lithium) but they are so explosive they can not be commercialised. I guess a bit like dealing with nitroglycerine. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 29, 2023 15:33:22 GMT
yes, quite. I don’t know if you remember but a few years ago there was a pretty catastrophic conventional fire in the tunnel when something flammable on the high vehicle transporter went up. Lorries and high vehicles unable to drive into the main train are loaded onto carriages that look like a car transporter trailer and passengers ride in a special coach car a bit line the eurostar but lots less comfortable. Anyway the lorry or its cargo went up and as per protocol the train carried on out of the tunnel to an emergency siding. The infero trashed anything behind it thanks to the high speed air current and the tunnel itself was pretty badly trashed. If a car went up i think they have halon in the car carriers but it doesnt bear thinking about I think the chemistry is a trade-off. You can get cells that give over double the energy density (non-lithium) but they are so explosive they can not be commercialised. I guess a bit like dealing with nitroglycerine. exactly so As i think i mentioned elsewhere my former team in the defence business and several work related individuals ended up in Crumlin and Merthyr making the Ajax Fighting Vehicle. Just before the pox lockdown i popped in for a chat about a requirement they had. It turned out to be not my cup of tea but i could not help noticing the shipping containers in the secure outdoor area. Containers near to identical to those used to transport nuclear fuel rods as far as blast, fire, acid and impact damage resistance was concerned. Thinking these for ammunition store i asked if the project had finally reached that stage where field testing the armament was near. My interviewer half smiled half grimaced and admitted those were installed to hold the lithium ion batteries lest they explode before installation |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2023 17:11:03 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. They already are on the ferries if they have broken down. So if you break down in France and need to get your EV brought back to the UK on a recovery truck you will have massive problems - it will probably end up being scrapped. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 29, 2023 18:57:34 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. You are correct if your car can run on liquid petroleum gas (LPG) or is a dual fuel vehicle, it will not be allowed to board the train, even if your LPG or alternative fuel tank is completely empty. That includes all new Dacia Bi-Fuel models. On the other hand, the batch of vacant parking spaces for EVs in front of the terminal and duty-free entrance is an inducement to move away from old-hat LPG that’s more suited to taxis and rail station luggage transport… |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 29, 2023 19:43:05 GMT
all part of tbe plan to restrict movement of course. It was a right bugger trying to take flammable gases on ‘Le Shuttle’ and i think they ban LPG vehicles. Only a matter of time before the EV is also banned as too great a fire risk, not for the chance of catching fire but the utter devastation in a confined space if it does. They already are on the ferries if they have broken down. So if you break down in France and need to get your EV brought back to the UK on a recovery truck you will have massive problems - it will probably end up being scrapped. What exactly is likely to break down in an EV? Supposing you took an emergency battery if you ran out of juice. |
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