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Post by Vinny on Jul 25, 2023 21:11:10 GMT
RIP those fucking heroes.
So sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 21:39:10 GMT
Looks like the right wing collided with something on the ground, then it lost control.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 25, 2023 22:10:26 GMT
It's possible. Something does appear to have come off.
Absolutely fucking tragic.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 26, 2023 8:52:49 GMT
Their names have been published. 34-year-old Cdr Christos Moulas and his co-pilot, 27-year-old Pericles Stefanidis.
Raise a glass to them at the weekend, brave men.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 26, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
An old friend is a reserve firefighter in his home state of Oregon. By day, he's a screenwriter with many respectable credits to his name.
A few years ago he co-wrote the best film about forest firefighting (I grant you - a pretty niche market..) and, until the strike kicked in, was busy finding backers for a new project concerning the (largely unknown) "Triple Nickles" - the 555th Airborne Pararachute Regiment who pioneered "fire jumping" and protected the West Coast from the onslaught of Japanese fire balloons during the latter stages of WW2. It's a great script, and a bit of history few people know of.
We have no conception of how brave these men and women are.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 26, 2023 10:58:53 GMT
Flying a plane close to the ground is incredibly difficult - and the fact that they're flying through smoke and heat and at slow speed makes it extremely dangerous. It's bad enough flying a helicopter in these conditions. They were indeed very brave.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 26, 2023 11:03:53 GMT
Unfortunately fire-fighting aircraft crashing into terrain is not that unusual - condolences to the families of the victims.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 26, 2023 11:24:39 GMT
In the South of France the Securité Civile operate a fleet of 'water bombers', the Bomardier 415 'Superscoop' which as the name implies take in water from lakes and lagoons. These guys (this particular pic is an Italian plane):
I've always thought the loading phase is particularly dangerous since if they come across a submerged log or other large floating object it would be coytens.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 26, 2023 11:27:21 GMT
Another thing, when they take on, or dump the water, the entire balance of the aircraft must change.
Very dangerous indeed.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 26, 2023 11:35:23 GMT
I've always thought the loading phase is particularly dangerous since if they come across a submerged log or other large floating object it would be coytens. [/div][/quote] It can also result in famous urban (or "rural"?) myths like this one.. www.snopes.com/fact-check/corpus-crispy/
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 26, 2023 11:48:36 GMT
An old friend is a reserve firefighter in his home state of Oregon. By day, he's a screenwriter with many respectable credits to his name. A few years ago he co-wrote the best film about forest firefighting (I grant you - a pretty niche market..) and, until the strike kicked in, was busy finding backers for a new project concerning the (largely unknown) "Triple Nickles" - the 555th Airborne Pararachute Regiment who pioneered "fire jumping" and protected the West Coast from the onslaught of Japanese fire balloons during the latter stages of WW2. It's a great script, and a bit of history few people know of. We have no conception of how brave these men and women are. ironically perhaps they don’s see it as heroic. They train, and plan, and train again, and plan some more, so they can do their day job in front of you on the worst day so far of your life. In the town twenty odd miles up the road from me is a fire station from which two crew went out and never came back The reason is some bean counting pen pushing twat chose to cut the staffing levels and so when some poor sod’s house went up only one tender and crew were available. The point being the plan they had practised called for one crew to spray a water curtain as the other advanced into the inferno. Rolling up with one tender too few to do this and knowing people were unaccounted for two men chose to penetrate the inferno without the safety water curtain. It didn’t go well. At the inquest said bean counters tried to blame the dead for their deaths. That didn’t go well either. It must take a special kind of something to do that knowing you are going so far off the plan. But i hope there os a special place on hell for those bean counters. As mentioned above, having watched the footage something clearly came off that plane as it dived groundwards. No doubt someone will eventually make a ruling as to what it was and if it contributed. All i can think is ‘poor buggers’
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2023 15:27:24 GMT
When I watched this yesterday I couldn't believe the pilot banked hard right after dumping the water. It appears he should have pulled up rather than banked to the right. However, on closer inspection you can see the right hand wing tip clearly hits trees and something breaks off. This I assume threw the aircraft into a hard right turn that the pilot couldn't control. RIP both crew.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2023 16:32:00 GMT
Just for interest - how the 'super scooper' works...
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