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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2023 10:26:43 GMT
Some facts and figures for those who understand economics.
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Post by bancroft on Jul 30, 2023 20:23:42 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 30, 2023 23:23:16 GMT
Europe's deindustrialisation will be making most of your transport.
Don't talk stupid.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 31, 2023 5:30:39 GMT
Handing the keys to the EU's energy supplies to a brutal dictatorship, was not the finest moment in recent history. The coal divestment policy was stupid.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 31, 2023 6:40:14 GMT
Handing the keys to the EU's energy supplies to a brutal dictatorship, was not the finest moment in recent history. The coal divestment policy was stupid. Vinny needs to understand that Germany is not the EU. Meanwhile his own beloved country is poised to hand out dozens of licences to drill for oil and gas and open coal mines while bragging how green it is and that net zero is just round the corner. That will take a large number of wind turbines to balance the production of fossil fuels. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 31, 2023 6:48:45 GMT
Handing the keys to the EU's energy supplies to a brutal dictatorship, was not the finest moment in recent history. The coal divestment policy was stupid. if this is a dig at the russians , im not sure you have a valid point. The wider point is when the likes of blair and many other european leaders were calling for a more integrated liberalised european energy market , building pipes to sell and receive energy , the idea was to do away with countries energy security to make vast profit in the energy market.
The old ideas of storing our natural gas in expensive gas silos were to be done away with over time , and we would simply buy and sell from the energy market , but as we see this , like much else blair did , had disasterous long term consequences as we saw last year with the disruption of supplies and over the top cost.
Its not the fact putin was being courted to sell into this vast european energy market , but the fact countires like scotland and england lost their energy security and became dependent on foreigners when we had no medium term need to.
As i understand it , the yanks made vast profit from us last year by selling lpg to the uk and europe. The problem isnt brutal distatorships , but short term energy policy , lack of vision , and flip flopping between green energy and other forms .
I agree the coal divestment policy was stupid.
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 31, 2023 10:55:31 GMT
Handing the keys to the EU's energy supplies to a brutal dictatorship, was not the finest moment in recent history. The coal divestment policy was stupid. Vinny needs to understand that Germany is not the EU. Meanwhile his own beloved country is poised to hand out dozens of licences to drill for oil and gas and open coal mines while bragging how green it is and that net zero is just round the corner. That will take a large number of wind turbines to balance the production of fossil fuels. I'd worry more about your country and where you live. Police are on minimal duties, and the Nigeriens are coming for you too. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 31, 2023 11:56:17 GMT
Mining coal here is cleaner than importing it from thousands of miles away.
It's the best fuel for steel making at present.
Again making it here has a lower carbon footprint.
Better grades of steel are made here than are typically imported.
If we want our manufacturing industries to survive we need energy independence.
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Post by bancroft on Aug 1, 2023 13:17:02 GMT
Handing the keys to the EU's energy supplies to a brutal dictatorship, was not the finest moment in recent history. The coal divestment policy was stupid. if this is a dig at the russians , im not sure you have a valid point. The wider point is when the likes of blair and many other european leaders were calling for a more integrated liberalised european energy market , building pipes to sell and receive energy , the idea was to do away with countries energy security to make vast profit in the energy market.
The old ideas of storing our natural gas in expensive gas silos were to be done away with over time , and we would simply buy and sell from the energy market , but as we see this , like much else blair did , had disasterous long term consequences as we saw last year with the disruption of supplies and over the top cost.
Its not the fact putin was being courted to sell into this vast european energy market , but the fact countires like scotland and england lost their energy security and became dependent on foreigners when we had no medium term need to.
As i understand it , the yanks made vast profit from us last year by selling lpg to the uk and europe. The problem isnt brutal distatorships , but short term energy policy , lack of vision , and flip flopping between green energy and other forms .
I agree the coal divestment policy was stupid.
The Blair/Brown goverment was so Europhile they were trying to emasculate us, sell-off our energy sector without any other EU country reciprocating. Selling off our Gold reserves, willing to give up sovereignty on Gibraltar and with plans to carve up England into 9 zones with new EU zones with new post codes. Then Farage and UKIP started to grow and we know the rest. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 3, 2023 7:29:27 GMT
Mining coal here is cleaner than importing it from thousands of miles away. It's the best fuel for steel making at present. Again making it here has a lower carbon footprint. Better grades of steel are made here than are typically imported. If we want our manufacturing industries to survive we need energy independence. More signs of utter ignorance. Oil isnt just dug up and transported to petrol stations and industry. All fuel is traded on the open futures market and sold to those who offer best prices at a future time. So the UK has to buy back what it drills at the highest price. And it needs refining into dozens of grades which is done abroad and costs money plus export/import costs. The use of coal for domestic individual use is now illegal in the uk. The EU economy is doing nicely thanks. If necessary and agreed it can bid for oil as a very wealthy unit and outbid the UK. Interesting that the government brags its use of renewables yet feels it necessary to dig for the fuel with one of the highest carbon content. SSAB Fossil-free™ steel is produced using the revolutionary HYBRIT® technology, which replaces coal in the iron ore reduction process with hydrogen. The result is a removal of the fossil carbon emissions. www.ssab.com › fossil-free-s... Fossil free steel – The future is fossil free! - SSAB |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 3, 2023 8:11:32 GMT
Some facts and figures for those who understand economics.
I don't agree with everything he said, but it was a very interesting vid. He was absolutely right about the effect of energy costs. Nothing will have a more adverse effect on the economy than high energy costs, and nothing will ensure we have high energy costs more than relying on renewables. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 3, 2023 8:54:36 GMT
Some facts and figures for those who understand economics.
I don't agree with everything he said, but it was a very interesting vid. He was absolutely right about the effect of energy costs. Nothing will have a more adverse effect on the economy than high energy costs, and nothing will ensure we have high energy costs more than relying on renewables. So what do you suggest? Coal is arguably the best carbon capture on the planet and Sunak is supporting the increase in releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere while bragging that he is leading the world in using renewables. There doesnt seem to be any joined up thinking. If the UK can eventually do without coal altogether, it can cancel import cintracts. Closing a mine and restoring the local environmental damage plus unemployment is far slower and more expensive. If all the time and money used to creatz this mine had been invested in nuclear energy, you would be laughing by now. The Tory government can justifiably go into the history books as wasting the biggest number of billions of pounds in one (3) administrations, including HS2, the third Heathrow runway, covid and now a new coalmine. Sunak can blame inflation on strikes and oil costs but rhe Tories have, as one infamous idiot said, spaffing tens of billions of unnecessary quid up the wall. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 3, 2023 9:25:09 GMT
Some facts and figures for those who understand economics.
I don't agree with everything he said, but it was a very interesting vid. He was absolutely right about the effect of energy costs. Nothing will have a more adverse effect on the economy than high energy costs, and nothing will ensure we have high energy costs more than relying on renewables. New fast charge long life battery tech is on the way which, when connected to a large amount of renewables (presently there's only a small amount), will give constant on demand supply and then electricity from renewable sources will be cheap. BUT, existing, working coal fired power stations were scrapped without like for like replacement. That lead to high energy costs. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 3, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
I don't agree with everything he said, but it was a very interesting vid. He was absolutely right about the effect of energy costs. Nothing will have a more adverse effect on the economy than high energy costs, and nothing will ensure we have high energy costs more than relying on renewables. New fast charge long life battery tech is on the way which, when connected to a large amount of renewables (presently there's only a small amount), will give constant on demand supply and then electricity from renewable sources will be cheap. BUT, existing, working coal fired power stations were scrapped without like for like replacement. That lead to high energy costs. Ans here the PM was bragging that the UK had the greatest amount of renewables in Europe. Well let's look at that. Off shore wind generation is only possible if you have a shore. On shore wind generation is only possible if there is wind...in a Europe that is rapidly warming and drying with wind more and more associated with fires. Which is why your "solution" is not transferrable or braggable. Germany, NOT the EU, had a problem with Russian gas. That is being rectifizd. WHERE IS THE GAS COMING FROM NOW? Norway replaced Russia as Germany's top gas supplier in 2022, accounting for a third of imports. Belgium and the Netherlands also helped plug the gap. Overall, Germany's natural gas imports were down 12% in 2022.Jan 20, 2023 www.reuters.com › energy Explainer: Where does Germany stand on gas supply? - Reuters As for the EU economy, the EU’s 27 members would grow at an average of 1% in 2023, up from a previous estimate of 0.8%. It nudged its forecast for growth in 2024 to 1.7% from 1.6%. The eurozone’s 20 members are expected to grow by 1.1% on average and 1.6% next year. European Central Bank chief suggests firms are engaging in ‘greedflation’ By comparison, the UK economy is expected to be weaker, with growth of 0.25% expected this year and 0.75% in 2024, according to the Bank of England. With fears of a recession easing, EU growth so far this year has been stronger than expected when the last growth estimates were made in February, the commission said. “The EU economy is managing the adjustment to the shocks unleashed by the pandemic and Russia’s aggression of Ukraine remarkably well,” it said in a report. “Last year, the EU successfully managed to largely wean itself off Russian gas.” www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/15/european-economy-expected-to-grow-faster-than-forecast-says-eu |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 3, 2023 10:35:22 GMT
I can't think of any other European country whose energy production and distribution infrastructure is as at risk of being held hostage by foreign interests as the UK. Especially the so-called renewables sector and nuclear.
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