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Post by wapentake on Jul 17, 2023 19:08:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 19:10:50 GMT
I understand and accept that not all Labour supporters / voters liked Tony Blair, but I bet a pound or a dollar that they will all agree with me, that those years 1997 - 2007 were infinately better than the last 13 years.
Public services were invested in and improved without wrecking the economy, without excessive borrowing, and peoples lives improved. The ten or 11 years prior to the banking crisis and subsequent recession were good years for this country.
Those years were the last time we actually had good years, a whole 10 years of sustained growth, rising living standards, falling poverty, improving public services which included massive falls in NHS waiting lists, falls in waiting times.
I will be voting Labour next year, and one reason is because --- It cannot be any worse that this last 13 years
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Post by patman post on Jul 17, 2023 19:30:53 GMT
I doubt my vote will count round here — but that's no excuse for PR — so I might go Green if the Tories don't show some ability and honesty...
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 20:27:53 GMT
I heard an interview with him on the radio on the way home from work. Labour are barking mad. It really shouldn't take much to beat the Tories and yet Labour shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 20:34:22 GMT
I understand and accept that not all Labour supporters / voters liked Tony Blair, but I bet a pound or a dollar that they will all agree with me, that those years 1997 - 2007 were infinately better than the last 13 years. Public services were invested in and improved without wrecking the economy, without excessive borrowing, and peoples lives improved. The ten or 11 years prior to the banking crisis and subsequent recession were good years for this country. Those years were the last time we actually had good years, a whole 10 years of sustained growth, rising living standards, falling poverty, improving public services which included massive falls in NHS waiting lists, falls in waiting times. I will be voting Labour next year, and one reason is because --- It cannot be any worse that this last 13 years Profound industrial decline, Blair and Brown selling us out to the EU every five minutes whilst we exported less and less to it, insane levels of house price inflation which we're still living with. My parents first house was bought in the 1970s for under £6k. Now it's worth £250k. If house prices had kept pace with general inflation it would only be worth £42k. You want to know why there's so many people in poverty? Labour destroyed all decent savings and investment options except the property market. They ravaged British industry with excessive taxation, the minimum wage, and also an over inflated pound. They built the civil service into a bloated unfundable monster. They saddled us with crap authoritarian policies including ID cards and detention without trial. I will not be voting Labour next year, I remember what happened last time. And it was fucking dreadful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 21:19:51 GMT
I doubt my vote will count round here — but that's no excuse for PR — so I might go Green if the Tories don't show some ability and honesty... Says the "Tory" who never seems to vote Tory. If you vote Labour enough times, doesn't that make you a Labour supporter, Pat? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 5:58:04 GMT
"From my experiences on the doorstep I don't think there is any appetite for another referendum. People are far more interested in the question of what type of deal are we going to get". Sounds perfectly sensible to me. Starmer understood that a second referendum was not something the British people wanted and wanted to concentrate on getting the best deal possible. That does not mean he broke any promises or lied. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 5:58:48 GMT
I will be voting for Labour as the only alternative to the horror show that is the Tory party. The story in the Mail strikes of being a 'conspiracy theory' though, given that there was an inquiry and the police did not charge anyone with a crime. I don't like Blair, never have and don not think he should have been knighted or still be in the Labour party. Starmer needs to 'use' him as he wills and then dump him. Hold the front page, Redders says he's voting Labour, lol... It wont be in the Mail though. 🤣 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 19, 2023 11:15:14 GMT
No one with any sense trusts Starmer.
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Post by patman post on Jul 19, 2023 12:13:10 GMT
I doubt my vote will count round here — but that's no excuse for PR — so I might go Green if the Tories don't show some ability and honesty... Says the "Tory" who never seems to vote Tory. If you vote Labour enough times, doesn't that make you a Labour supporter, Pat? There's been no point in voting Tory in Hackney North and Stoke Newington since 1987 — Diane Abbott regularly gets more votes than all the other candidates can amass together. With a 30,000 to 35,000 majority, my one vote, or no vote, wouldn't even register.
I admit, I prefer Conservative values — though they've been mangled and discarded nationally recently — but Abbott is a good local MP who's liked by the local people.
I try at the local elections, but the Tories never put up much of a fight in Hackney — apart from round Stamford Hill, which regularly returns Tory councillors.
So I shall probably remain hovering on the fringes...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 12:38:59 GMT
No one with any sense trusts Starmer.
Why because he did something to help desperate people. Your wiring is cuckoo. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 19, 2023 12:47:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 13:55:36 GMT
Said See2 mk2. Why do you come on this board, just to troll? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 19, 2023 14:58:52 GMT
No one with any sense trusts Starmer.
Why because he did something to help desperate people. Your wiring is cuckoo. Illegal economic immigrants and refugees are not the same thing. People who conflate the two are part of the problem. Refugees are welcome, illegal economic migrants ARE NOT, they can fuck off. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 19, 2023 21:03:00 GMT
No one with any sense trusts Starmer.
Why because he did something to help desperate people. Your wiring is cuckoo. It matters little who was wired which way when nor how. We are coming to a point in this country where ordinary people have had enough,they’re frightened and not without reason. We are being inundated by people who are in many cases and imo economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers,I keep saying this but movement of people is gathering apace. Please explain where we are supposed house these these people on a permanent basis and pay out for their support. Neither the housing nor the infrastructure Is there,people who are British citizens cannot get doctors appointments,hospitaltreatment,adequate housing and on top suffering cost of living problems. Please explain why when so much is underfunded already we can sort this?. |
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