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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 16, 2023 18:35:31 GMT
All regulatory authorities on the planet, except the EU Commission have concluded that hormone treatments do not pose any health risk to the eater. Vets agree they're not a problem. As for antibiotics: www.amr.gov.au/about-amr/amr-australia/animal-healthNothing to worry about there either. They are banned for animal welfare reasons and even Australia bans them in dairy cattle. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 16, 2023 20:40:36 GMT
And, silence..... The remoaners have nothing left. They know the EU is a failure, but cannot bring themselves to admit it. Maybe it is because i can manage more than 3 lines of text at once Iggy. Or that i do have a life outside this place. This is Bastille Day wekend. But you wouldnt know that would you??And i very much doubt if you would look it up. So take your kindergarten comments and shove them where you have space...above the collar. Many places in France aren't celebrating Bastille Day this year, thanks to the violence and destruction brought about by riots. It's not much worth celebrating in light of those events. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 16, 2023 22:27:09 GMT
Vets around the world have no objections to hormone treatments for beef, it's only the EU Commission who do and they have been known to overreact.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 0:21:00 GMT
So we have to lower our welfare standards in order to compete or we let our beef production suffer.
There's no reason to import beef from the other side of the planet. There's more than enough produced in Europe.
Australia is laughing at us because they know it's good for their farmers at our farmers' expense.
But at least we got our blue passports back.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 5:10:23 GMT
Lower? Not lower at all. Australia have as good welfare as we do. In fact they have huge areas of land for cattle to roam in comfort.
Their agricultural system is extremely ethical.
Their farming system is extremely efficient and doesn't require subsidies. We could learn a lot from it.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 17, 2023 6:14:55 GMT
So we have to lower our welfare standards in order to compete or we let our beef production suffer. There's no reason to import beef from the other side of the planet. There's more than enough produced in Europe. Australia is laughing at us because they know it's good for their farmers at our farmers' expense. But at least we got our blue passports back. You are all over the place here - you are quite happy to import beef from Europe but against importing beef from Australia because it harms UK farmers. Quite why imports from one country hurt farmers and imports from another do not is left unexplained.. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 17, 2023 7:26:44 GMT
So we have to lower our welfare standards in order to compete or we let our beef production suffer. There's no reason to import beef from the other side of the planet. There's more than enough produced in Europe. Australia is laughing at us because they know it's good for their farmers at our farmers' expense. But at least we got our blue passports back. You are all over the place here - you are quite happy to import beef from Europe but against importing beef from Australia because it harms UK farmers. Quite why imports from one country hurt farmers and imports from another do not is left unexplained.. Exactly. What's worse, not only being lectured by a bloody vegan on eating meat but this vegan wants UK consumers to pay higher prices for their meat from Europe. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 8:20:30 GMT
So we have to lower our welfare standards in order to compete or we let our beef production suffer. There's no reason to import beef from the other side of the planet. There's more than enough produced in Europe. Australia is laughing at us because they know it's good for their farmers at our farmers' expense. But at least we got our blue passports back. You are all over the place here - you are quite happy to import beef from Europe but against importing beef from Australia because it harms UK farmers. Quite why imports from one country hurt farmers and imports from another do not is left unexplained.. Beef from Europe doesn't use hormones to undercut British beef and it hasn't got the food miles. We mostly get it from Ireland where it is grass fed and not reared on feedlots where it has to be stuffed full of antibiotics to counter the consequences of cramming cattle together on shit covered concrete. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 8:29:30 GMT
You are all over the place here - you are quite happy to import beef from Europe but against importing beef from Australia because it harms UK farmers. Quite why imports from one country hurt farmers and imports from another do not is left unexplained.. Exactly. What's worse, not only being lectured by a bloody vegan on eating meat but this vegan wants UK consumers to pay higher prices for their meat from Europe. I'm not a vegan and yes I think you should pay more for meat raised in higher welfare standards. I also think you should eat less of it so we don't have to use 40% of our most productive farmland growing feed for livestock. We could grow food for humans instead and not have to import so much of it from Europe and elsewhere. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 17, 2023 8:50:28 GMT
Europe imports comparatively little beef from the UK.
We have plenty of our own thanks.
I have never in the years I have been here, seen any merchant selling beef, proudly advertise British beef.
We prefer to eat locally produced food. Even large supermarkets use very local producers which are indicated on the fresh meat counter where you can have your meat cut the way you want.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 8:54:35 GMT
Exactly. What's worse, not only being lectured by a bloody vegan on eating meat but this vegan wants UK consumers to pay higher prices for their meat from Europe. I'm not a vegan and yes I think you should pay more for meat raised in higher welfare standards. I also think you should eat less of it so we don't have to use 40% of our most productive farmland growing feed for livestock. We could grow food for humans instead and not have to import so much of it from Europe and elsewhere. We're talking about Australia which has abundant farmland. And yes, their meat is raised in the highest welfare standards, vets agree with their policies and practices. Regarding the EU, the eco nutters are putting the Dutch livestock business out of business so there will be a shortage of Dutch beef available in the market which Australia will make up for. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 8:59:29 GMT
I'm not a vegan and yes I think you should pay more for meat raised in higher welfare standards. I also think you should eat less of it so we don't have to use 40% of our most productive farmland growing feed for livestock. We could grow food for humans instead and not have to import so much of it from Europe and elsewhere. We're talking about Australia which has abundant farmland. And yes, their meat is raised in the highest welfare standards, vets agree with their policies and practices. Regarding the EU, the eco nutters are putting the Dutch livestock business out of business so there will be a shortage of Dutch beef available in the market which Australia will make up for. They don't have abundant farmland. It's mostly desert which is why their cattle is fattened on feedlots. Their welfare standards are lower and they use hormones to undercut our beef. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 9:08:39 GMT
Their welfare standards are not lower. And vets do not have a problem with the use of hormones. Meanwhile in the EU: Regulation 853/2004 (mechanically separated meat regulation). eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A52010DC0704![]()  Scrap meat waste is being served up as "meat" because of mechanically separation. All the nastiest shittiest bits of waste, made "edible" by regulation and machinery. Don't lecture me on food standards the EU's standards are shit. And when France got BSE, the EU covered it up and banned our beef. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 9:09:26 GMT
Dutch beef is almost unknown as a market commodity, it's about as common as waygu. The overwhelming majority of cattle in Holland are Friesians and other breeds unsuitable for beef production. Male calves are either slaughtered immediately or when six months old for veal.
It really is depressing to read the pronouncements of the Brexit fundamentalists about things they know nothing about but then how could they? They never travel anywhere, at least in Europe.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 9:11:16 GMT
The Dutch beef industry produced 421.51 thousand tonnes last year. tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/production-of-meat-cattle-eurostat-data.htmlTheir dairy industry is also being fucked over. And, on the subject of beef, the EU has re-legalised the feeding of offal to bovines. The very thing that caused BSE in the 1980's is back on the bovine menu in the EU. So, it's best having nice Australian beef rather than BSE riddled EU beef. |
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