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Post by oracle75 on Jul 15, 2023 22:54:54 GMT
Would someone please explain to Iggy that EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING BETTER? how can they be doing better if they are in recession and we are not? is a recession a sign of economic strength now? THEY are not in recession. Germany was due to its reliance on gas. Rezd my previous post. Some countries have grown by 2 or 3 %.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2023 23:27:56 GMT
This has all been chewed over in the prebious pages. Go back and read them.. . LOL, superb.
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 16, 2023 0:01:20 GMT
how can they be doing better if they are in recession and we are not? is a recession a sign of economic strength now? THEY are not in recession. Germany was due to its reliance on gas. Rezd my previous post. Some countries have grown by 2 or 3 %. They are. It's a one-size-fits-all quasi money union that Germany dominates. If the UK's economy is the equivalent to the smallest 18 member states of the EU, what would Germany's be in the Eurozone? If Germany sneezes, the rest of the 19 Eurozone members get a cough. Germany went into a recession. France flatlined. And Ireland's leprechaun economics ensured its GDP fell. This was enough to put the whole of the Eurozone into a recession.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 16, 2023 6:45:50 GMT
how can they be doing better if they are in recession and we are not? is a recession a sign of economic strength now? THEY are not in recession. Germany was due to its reliance on gas. Rezd my previous post. Some countries have grown by 2 or 3 %. I have already given you the link - The eurozone endured a contraction in both the last three months of 2022 and the first quarter of this year. That is the definition of a recession.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 16, 2023 7:26:49 GMT
Exactly. Whilst the EU is failing, we are succeeding.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 16, 2023 7:49:13 GMT
What is the current growth of the UK economy? GDP growth in recent years Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q1 2023 was 0.5% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.2% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 5.6% higher. For 2022 as a whole, UK GDP growth was 4.1%. This figure compares GDP in all of 2022, with all of 2021.Jun 30, 2023 commonslibrary.parliament.uk › ... GDP - International Comparisons: Key Economic Indicators The temporary recession does not erase thexfact that over the last year the growth in the UK has been the lowest in comparable countries. It is dishonest to compare one country with an average of 19. The comparison is not m1de on the same basis wherein one country out of 19 could technically pull the collectove into recession. A better measure is the collective growth. And the UK is still lagging behind. Your own government even admits it.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 16, 2023 8:13:39 GMT
UK has signed the CPTPP treaty now as well. Members of the EU cannot bilaterally sign free trade agreements. Their system, one size fits none.
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 16, 2023 9:42:00 GMT
What is the current growth of the UK economy? GDP growth in recent years Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q1 2023 was 0.5% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.2% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 5.6% higher. For 2022 as a whole, UK GDP growth was 4.1%. This figure compares GDP in all of 2022, with all of 2021.Jun 30, 2023 commonslibrary.parliament.uk › ... GDP - International Comparisons: Key Economic Indicators The temporary recession does not erase thexfact that over the last year the growth in the UK has been the lowest in comparable countries. It is dishonest to compare one country with an average of 19. The comparison is not m1de on the same basis wherein one country out of 19 could technically pull the collectove into recession. A better measure is the collective growth. And the UK is still lagging behind. Your own government even admits it. You don't get to pick and choose when you are a union or when you are an individual state. 20 countries share a currency union. Plus, there were more economies that contracted: In total, eight EU countries contracted in the first three months of the year, with Ireland shrinking the most, by 4.6 percent, because of a decline in exports from multinational companies. Lithuania, the Netherlands, Estonia, Malta, Hungary and Greece were also in negative territory.www.politico.eu/article/eurozone-is-in-a-technical-recession/Whether you like it or not, the Eurozone is in a recession - this is just a fact.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 16, 2023 10:43:42 GMT
What is the current growth of the UK economy? GDP growth in recent years Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q1 2023 was 0.5% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.2% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 5.6% higher. For 2022 as a whole, UK GDP growth was 4.1%. This figure compares GDP in all of 2022, with all of 2021.Jun 30, 2023 For the year 2022 GDP increased by 3.5% in both the euro area and the EU - 0.6% lower than the UK. what is 'collective growth'?
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Post by Vinny on Jul 16, 2023 16:04:57 GMT
And, silence.....
The remoaners have nothing left. They know the EU is a failure, but cannot bring themselves to admit it.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 16, 2023 16:21:13 GMT
I am not going to spend my time quibbling over unsupported numbers from 2022. I gave you a quote from your own government. If you want a quibble, go to London Of you can get a train.
Collective growth describes the growth taking into account 27 EU countries. You are selecting 19 and after 18 months of covid shutting down most trade plus Germany's reliance on gas. And collectively the EU grew faster than the UK.
Now i really have better things to do than discuss details that dont change the current situation. Like there is nothinf like the lack of money in your treasury to pay public sector workers because you squandered piles of it to mates during covid. Because all your brave new world leaders could do was lead the UK up the garden path.
7 years on and the Brexit Tories have run out of ideas. Imagine!! Running out of ideas after a mere 7 years of a whole new promised land. I woyld have thought you would have a waiting list of fundamental changes at least half as long as your NHS waiting list.
For all that is holy, Brexit has done ZERO to make the lives of the nation better. It has not allowed the country to do ANYTHING it couldnt do before 2016 to improve the lives of the average population. You cant stop illegal immigration via Brexit. You cant cut inflation by leaving the EU.you cant improve the NHS by leaving the EU. You cant afford to pay your public professionals the global going rate by voting for Brexit.
Brexit has brought NOTHING that improves the standard od living of the huge chunk of the EU.
And dont dare mention the CPPTCPPTCTP. You and rhe EU already trade with all but two of the members...Brunei and Maylasia. Iggy will be delighted to see all that extra pollution it will take to ship all that palm oil across half the globe. You know...the stuff that is rendering orangutans and other species extinct.
Ask yourself how those who form the rules and sort out disputes get to be at the top table. It isnt by any form of democracy known to man.
The desperation i see in here justifying a vote taken 7 years ago and the devaluation of the British values and standard of living is beyond explanation.
I suggest you and Iggy start a PM conversation where you can make up your propaganda away from the eyes of others who see you only as desperate and subsequently comical.
I wont be playing Judy to your Punch anymore.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 16, 2023 16:25:39 GMT
And, silence..... The remoaners have nothing left. They know the EU is a failure, but cannot bring themselves to admit it. Maybe it is because i can manage more than 3 lines of text at once Iggy. Or that i do have a life outside this place. This is Bastille Day wekend. But you wouldnt know that would you?? And i very much doubt if you would look it up. So take your kindergarten comments and shove them where you have space...above the collar.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 16, 2023 16:59:39 GMT
So long as Australian beef is more ethical than the EU's, I'm all for it being part of the market and pushing prices down. The reality is that EU beef is not ethical. And they turn their noses up at the Aussies? Arseholes. They should sort their own farms out. And we should ban EU beef on ethics grounds. Those are Holsteins. Dairy cattle not beef and unlike Australian cattle they will be free of growth hormones and only use antibiotics in case of sickness not routinely as with Australian cattle.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 16, 2023 17:16:08 GMT
I am not going to spend my time quibbling over unsupported numbers from 2022. I gave you a quote from your own government. If you want a quibble, go to London Of you can get a train. Collective growth describes the growth taking into account 27 EU countries. You are selecting 19 and after 18 months of covid shutting down most trade plus Germany's reliance on gas. And collectively the EU grew faster than the UK. No it did not. Take the last 2 quaters where the Eurozone has been in recession - in Q4 2022 GDP in the EU27 fell by -0.2% compared to -0.1% in the Eurozone. In Q1 2023 GDP rose in the EU27 by 0.1% and fell in the Eurozone by -0.1%. The equivalent figures for the UK were growth of 0.1% and 0.1%.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 16, 2023 18:22:41 GMT
All regulatory authorities on the planet, except the EU Commission have concluded that hormone treatments do not pose any health risk to the eater. Vets agree they're not a problem. As for antibiotics: www.amr.gov.au/about-amr/amr-australia/animal-healthNothing to worry about there either.
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