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Post by buccaneer on Jul 14, 2023 12:35:13 GMT
Well my dear Iggy, the UK depends on them and i am told , doing well. How about dumping all the trade deals you have thanks to the EU and renegotiating all 80 plus of them. I mean you did so well with Australia...😂😂😵💫 Okay, once you cancel our payment of 'obligations'. And Britain did much better than the EU in one fifth of the time. Enjoy your overpriced food!
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2023 13:52:11 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 14, 2023 19:06:00 GMT
Well my dear Iggy, the UK depends on them and i am told , doing well. How about dumping all the trade deals you have thanks to the EU and renegotiating all 80 plus of them. I mean you did so well with Australia...😂😂😵💫 Okay, once you cancel our payment of 'obligations'. And Britain did much better than the EU in one fifth of the time. Enjoy your overpriced food! Obligations are nearly done. The UK citizens who were paid a pension through the EU will be relieved. And your loans are now paid back. If you dont want any financial association woth the EU drop out of all those trade agreements and stop nagging to be part of Horizon. Your GDP still relies most heavily on the EU trade deals you still use. The ones you did (all three) are a global joke.
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 14, 2023 19:24:36 GMT
Okay, once you cancel our payment of 'obligations'. And Britain did much better than the EU in one fifth of the time. Enjoy your overpriced food! Obligations are nearly done. The UK citizens who were paid a pension through the EU will be relieved. And your loans are now paid back. If you dont want any financial association woth the EU drop out of all those trade agreements and stop nagging to be part of Horizon. Your GDP still relies most heavily on the EU trade deals you still use. The ones you did (all three) are a global joke. Nah, we're owed them. And have amended some of those deals for deeper/better trade and we will continue to use those deals we were owed to our own advantage now. Oh, and speaking of Horizon, more bad faith displayed the EU. That was part of the TCA Barnier and Brussels signed off on.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 14, 2023 20:15:45 GMT
Do you know what Horizon is?? And no, the UK has not altered any EU trade deal it signed into over the last 70 years.
Best to recognise truth from what would suit your opinion.
As for cheaper food, that isnt borne out by your infamous inflation.
Just exactly what is cheaper, other than the lies you are still expecting to happen?
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2023 6:51:37 GMT
The UK Canada FTA is being upgraded as we speak. Members of the EU cannot do that.
Nor can they enjoy an FTA with Australia as the EU botched that.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 15, 2023 8:59:28 GMT
My dear iggy The EU does not want to be swamped by Australian produce, or have the unique right to labels of origin which are misleading. www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-12/australia-eu-trade-deal-fails-to-find-agreement/102590552Talks are due to be resumed later. OTOH i doubt very much if British livestock producers want tens of thousands of sheep and cows available in the UK, pushing down the costs of farmers already struggling with costs of feed and vets bills. Do you actually want to see the end of livestock faeming in the UK? And the EU is sensitive to labelling honestly. No one can merely SAY their product is from a place...it is misleading and introduces grossly unfair competition. Australia wants the right to add regional reference when the item is produced half way around the world. It would be a deal which would hurt the citizens of the EU and as such, is right to be rejected. Course you would grab it with both hands since for you, deals are like playing monopoly, while the content doesnt matter. Which is why the Australians are laughing at you.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2023 9:15:59 GMT
It really is amusing to watch Brexi-fundamentalists fall upon a trade deal with Australia as if it were manna from heaven. As previously noted, Australia's export trade is completely dominated by extractive industries, companies that dig large holes in the ground and ship their former contents to China. This can't be of any interest to the UK since it doesn't need such raw materials anymore, its secondary processing sector having disappeared decades ago. If UK customers need copper fittings, for example, they buy them in ready-made from China or elsewhere; the UK has no copper-smelters anymore let alone manufacturers. www.statista.com/statistics/1236552/europe-annual-copper-smelter-production-by-country/As for agri-products, the end result of this much-lauded FTA will be the demise of many UK producers in the cereals and livestock sector, reducing yet further any future prospect of long-term food security to which Brexit has already delivered a mortal blow.
So what the hell's the point of it?
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2023 9:21:05 GMT
Silly argument Dan, steel is still heavily dependent on coal. We don't mine it ourselves due to a legacy of when we were in the EU and the anti coal policies. So, it's either Russia, or Australia till we build new mines. I'd rather it be the Aussies.
Next, cheap food including tomatoes. EU was in short supply last winter. Australia will boost supply. They can supply foods out of season in large quantities.
And our farmers are still subsidised, theirs aren't. We can supply foods to them out of season too.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2023 9:36:26 GMT
The UK's steel production is of lilliputian proportions and in steep decline; it is less than half the volume of 15 years ago.
As for coal, I thought that the government was proposing a new mine in Cumbria to ensure security of supply and here you calling for it to be shipped halfway across the world instead.
As for tomatoes from Australia, now you're just being silly.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 15, 2023 9:36:28 GMT
The UK imports steel. It makes relatively little itself. And i am amazed that "environment iggy" wants to open more coal mines in the UK. Its policy is to buy steel from elsewhere often China.
As for food prices, i saw a jump in prices last year and no change this year. I posted yesterday that i saw a large display of firm beautiful vine tomatoes (given that this forum seems to use tomatoes as the base calculation speaking for the position of the UK economy) for 99 cents per kilo. Fuel is holding steady at about 1.67 a litre and there is and never was a shortage of anything.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2023 10:02:22 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2023 10:15:32 GMT
And disproven to be anything to do with Brexit very rapidly. As were your claims that the UK was the only place in Western Europe with tomato shortages. Ireland had shortages, Sweden had shortages and you jumped the gun, because of fundamentalism.
You have an urge to see Brexit fail and the UK coming crawling back. It's a success Dan, we sold £340 billion to the EU last year, more than we ever sold to them before the referendum. And that's taking inflation into account.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2023 10:36:46 GMT
... It's a success Dan, we sold £340 billion to the EU last year, more than we ever sold to them before the referendum. And that's taking inflation into account. You whip this figure out whenever the Brexit Has Been Good For Us mantra comes under scrutiny.
How come you never mention the other side of the EU trade figures, Britain's deficit with the EU? That's also larger than before the referendum. In fact imports have grown since 2015 more than than exports, so from a balance of payments perspective the UK is worse off under Brexit than before.
2015 deficit: £114 billion
2022 deficit: £135 billion
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2023 12:05:10 GMT
It'd be even worse if we'd stayed as the high pound was killing our exports.
Put £223.3 billion into the Bank of England inflation calculator. We would have been selling the result, or less to the EU. Our exported trade with it had been in decline. Now we sell £340 billion a year to it. The value of our exports has gone up, considerably.
And our trade with the rest of the world has gone up too. Don't look for things to be upset about. Brexit is a success. Membership was a disaster.
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