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Post by oracle75 on Jul 13, 2023 15:17:29 GMT
Last thought. Contrary to some assumptions, the "name of the game" is not to collect as many trade agreements as you can.
In fact there is no one size fits all agreement and more recent ones also include data protection, exchange of technology.
Of course thz EU is protectionist. That is its first respinsibility and why other countries want to join.
Why have a trade alliance if it is open to serious competition?
And finally the voice of agriculture carries huge weight in Europe. Post war there wasnt much else to trade except food and minerals. A majority of EU nations rely heavily on agriculture and are serious about being self reliant in a war.
The EU relies on the support of agriculture and any serious outsider given free access to the European market in a product the EU is quite capable of providing (and exporting) itself will not be accepted.
It is something the UK should consider before it starts to lose its livestock farms.
And on a personal note, it would do the world's agricultural pollution including the effects of cows, a huge favour by shutting down every hamburger chain in existence.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2023 17:34:28 GMT
They started negotiations in 2018. It's been five years and the EU still doesn't have one with Australia.Of course, the EU likes to protect its unproductive, inefficient and heavily subsidised farmers - EU consumers in the meantime lose out and pay higher prices for a product that is in all probability inferior. Apparently issues like this irked the EU too: A sticking point in the trade talks is the EU’s objection to Australian food producers using terms such as feta and prosecco.
Australian negotiators argue it is reasonable for farmers to use the terms to represent varieties rather than European regions. *rollseyes. www.afr.com/politics/federal/more-work-required-as-eu-australia-fail-to-reach-fta-20230712-p5dnk4I am surprised the EU didn't demand entitlement of their "citizens" free-movement to Australia and welfare benefits - tongue in cheek for those who are too literal for their own good. I read a while back that Australian negotiators found negotiating with the EU was tedious and tiresome. No wonder they struggle to make trade deals of relevance anymore. They started negotiations in 2018, and they still don't have a deal? LOL. Thank god we're out. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 13, 2023 17:53:49 GMT
And this means, not only would we be worse off economically if we'd stayed in, but we'd also not be able to bilaterally negotiate free trade agreements with our closest friends and allies in the world, none of whom are in the EU.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 13, 2023 18:35:04 GMT
They started negotiations in 2018. It's been five years and the EU still doesn't have one with Australia.Of course, the EU likes to protect its unproductive, inefficient and heavily subsidised farmers - EU consumers in the meantime lose out and pay higher prices for a product that is in all probability inferior. Apparently issues like this irked the EU too: A sticking point in the trade talks is the EU’s objection to Australian food producers using terms such as feta and prosecco.
Australian negotiators argue it is reasonable for farmers to use the terms to represent varieties rather than European regions. *rollseyes. www.afr.com/politics/federal/more-work-required-as-eu-australia-fail-to-reach-fta-20230712-p5dnk4I am surprised the EU didn't demand entitlement of their "citizens" free-movement to Australia and welfare benefits - tongue in cheek for those who are too literal for their own good. I read a while back that Australian negotiators found negotiating with the EU was tedious and tiresome. No wonder they struggle to make trade deals of relevance anymore. They started negotiations in 2018, and they still don't have a deal? LOL. Thank god we're out. Because we dont want Australian beef. We have lovely beef of our own. And how can Australia benefit us? And before you belittle EU trade deals, dont forget the UK is depending on them. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2023 18:41:40 GMT
They started negotiations in 2018, and they still don't have a deal? LOL. Thank god we're out. Because we dont want Australian beef. We have lovely beef of our own. And how can Australia benefit us? And before you belittle EU trade deals, dont forget the UK is depending on them. So does the EU, last year car exports alone to the UK were worth more than €30 billion to the EU. I doubt the UK is a market the EU would want to lose. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 13, 2023 18:52:26 GMT
Because we dont want Australian beef. We have lovely beef of our own. And how can Australia benefit us? And before you belittle EU trade deals, dont forget the UK is depending on them. So does the EU, last year car exports alone to the UK were worth more than €30 billion to the EU. I doubt the UK is a market the EU would want to lose. The EU has grown markedly faster than the UK. It does not depend on cars. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2023 18:55:48 GMT
So does the EU, last year car exports alone to the UK were worth more than €30 billion to the EU. I doubt the UK is a market the EU would want to lose. The EU has grown markedly faster than the UK. It does not depend on cars. You think the EU could afford to lose the UK car market? That's more than 20% of EU car production. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 13, 2023 21:27:41 GMT
They started negotiations in 2018, and they still don't have a deal? LOL. Thank god we're out. Because we dont want Australian beef. We have lovely beef of our own. And how can Australia benefit us? And before you belittle EU trade deals, dont forget the UK is depending on them. Yes, well if you think the EU are going to get a trade deal that isn't reciprocal, and one all of its own way then you've got another thing coming with your the offer of an unlevel playing field. It is of no use to Australia. Plus, you get to pay more for your heavily subsidised beef. Lucky you! |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 13, 2023 21:40:41 GMT
So does the EU, last year car exports alone to the UK were worth more than €30 billion to the EU. I doubt the UK is a market the EU would want to lose.
Really? - since when?. I only ask because the EU is the slowest growing trade bloc on the planet so when did this spurt occur? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 13, 2023 22:00:14 GMT
So long as Australian beef is more ethical than the EU's, I'm all for it being part of the market and pushing prices down. The reality is that EU beef is not ethical.   And they turn their noses up at the Aussies? Arseholes. They should sort their own farms out. And we should ban EU beef on ethics grounds. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 14, 2023 7:12:32 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 14, 2023 7:18:41 GMT
The UK has flatlined but the Eurozone is in recession. Expectation for higher rates comes as economic clouds loom over the eurozone. The bloc is already in a “technical recession”, with gross domestic product contracting by 0.1 percentage points in each of the past two quarters.
FT |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 14, 2023 7:25:27 GMT
Because we dont want Australian beef. We have lovely beef of our own. And how can Australia benefit us? And before you belittle EU trade deals, dont forget the UK is depending on them. Yes, well if you think the EU are going to get a trade deal that isn't reciprocal, and one all of its own way then you've got another thing coming with your the offer of an unlevel playing field. It is of no use to Australia. Plus, you get to pay more for your heavily subsidised beef. Lucky you! I never said the EU thinks it will get its own way. However there are some things which are non negotiable and one is the deliberate competitition from other nations which transport animals half way around the world to slaughter them. We have enough of our own thanks. If the UK wants to import animals which have spent 3 weeks confined on ships, and lower the income of its own farmers, then Australia has the right to laugh. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 14, 2023 7:27:27 GMT
The UK has flatlined but the Eurozone is in recession. Expectation for higher rates comes as economic clouds loom over the eurozone. The bloc is already in a “technical recession”, with gross domestic product contracting by 0.1 percentage points in each of the past two quarters.
FTI cant access the site.i have no idea of the date or context. I note no comment on my two links. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 14, 2023 7:29:44 GMT
What is the issue with transporting animals half way around the world to slaughter them?
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