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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 9:57:43 GMT
Farmers round here have taken advantage of the 'toxic subsidy' to mechanise grape harvesting and do away with the need for migrant labour which used to come from as far away as Morocco. But not any more. Not just that, it has given birth to a whole new industry for manufacturing self-propelled grape harvester a field in which the French now lead the world.
Perhaps British farmers could take inspiration from this EU-funded innovation and start to wean themselves of their addiction to both imported labour and imported farm machinery. Very little of the latter originates in the UK these days compared to as recently as the 1990s when the Massey-Fergusan tractor plant in Coventry was closed down. The 80 acre site is now a housing estate.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 9:58:21 GMT
All the more reason for you to become a French citizen then and stop whinging about the glory of Brexit. Well said. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 10:00:11 GMT
Very little of the latter originates in the UK these days compared to as recently as the 1990s when the Massey-Fergusan tractor plant in Coventry was closed down. The 80 acre site is now a housing estate. Just goes to show how shit being in the EU was then that the Massey Ferguson tractor plant closed down in the 1990's, WHEN WE WERE MEMBERS!!!
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 10:00:16 GMT
Vinny's snaps don't show the milking machines and give a misleading impression of how beef cattle are raised in Europe. There are no 'factory farms' and no feedlots. I still await evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 10:00:52 GMT
Those aren't milking sheds, those are fattening sheds.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 10:05:39 GMT
Very little of the latter originates in the UK these days compared to as recently as the 1990s when the Massey-Fergusan tractor plant in Coventry was closed down. The 80 acre site is now a housing estate. Just goes to show how shit being in the EU was then that the Massey Ferguson tractor plant closed down in the 1990's, WHEN WE WERE MEMBERS!!!
The French government was more effective in lobbying for its own tractor manufacturers at the time but that was because the French have an actual industrial strategy, something successive British governments have spurned since the Second World War. Nothing at all to do with the EU, but with the contempt of the British political elite for industry and manufacturing and its preference for a rentier, consumerist economy based on financial services and real estate speculation. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 10:06:34 GMT
Those aren't milking sheds, those are fattening sheds. Beef cattle are fattened on corn not grass. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 10:22:40 GMT
Those aren't milking sheds, those are fattening sheds. Those are dairy cattle. You don't fatten up dairy cattle. They are winter cowsheds. In winter the grass doesn't grow or contain enough nutrients and cattle will churn up the wet ground leading to it having to be reseeded in the spring. This is why cattle have to be brought into the sheds around October-November and not get let out into the fields until April-May. This is why hay is harvested. It is not intensive farming it is land management and animal husbandry. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 10:26:11 GMT
All the more reason for you to become a French citizen then and stop whinging about the glory of Brexit. You don't need to be a French citizen to recognise the difference between the wholesome fresh food that prevails on the continent and the industrialised, Amercanised swill that is unfortunately all too prevalent in the UK. Especially for schoolchildren, it seems, which certainly doesn't augur well for the future. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 10:47:46 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 17, 2023 10:47:53 GMT
Vinny's snaps don't show the milking machines and give a misleading impression of how beef cattle are raised in Europe. There are no 'factory farms' and no feedlots. I still await evidence to the contrary. Animals in this Italian farm are held in feedlots for 6 to 8 months a year. 500 million people are partly kept fed on intensive farming in the EU. To say nothing of the sort exists is denial. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 10:58:55 GMT
Of course it's denial.
He fanatically adores the EU.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 11:12:10 GMT
Vinny's snaps don't show the milking machines and give a misleading impression of how beef cattle are raised in Europe. There are no 'factory farms' and no feedlots. I still await evidence to the contrary. Animals in this Italian farm are held in feedlots for 6 to 8 months a year. 500 million people are partly kept fed on intensive farming in the EU. To say nothing of the sort exists is denial. Call that a feedlot?!?
Now this is what you call a feedlot...
The Harris Feeding Co., or 'Cowschwitz' as the locals call it, in Kettleman, California. The 800 acre site 'accommodates' up to 120,000 beasts at any one point in time.
There are feedlots in Texas and probably also in Australia that are much larger than this. There's one in Colorado that has over 900,000 head.
There's nothing in the EU even remotely approaching this scale.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2023 11:21:27 GMT
We have no FTA with the USA and neither does the EU.
As such meat from America is subject to heavy controls.
Meanwhile, the EU does have feedlots.
EU cattle are now being fed waste meat products again.
BSE hasn't gone away.
EU farming needs major reform and isn't getting anything except subsidies.
And they've just blown an opportunity to have wholesome food from Australia.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2023 11:24:10 GMT
OK I'll bite.
Tell us about these major reforms you believe that EU farming needs. What are they and what problems are they supposed to be solving?
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