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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 1, 2022 15:06:50 GMT
Nazi is a universal meme and a Jungian archetype. It's like the grizzly bear in the woods, it will always be there.
BBC tell fairytales for the children.
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Post by colbops on Nov 1, 2022 21:58:25 GMT
I'm on series 2 episode 2.
I think the title is wrong.
The first couple of episodes of season 1 covers them coming to power, gaining full control, and a little bit about how their structure came together once in a position of power. Its not really about their rise though.
Its not even about the rise of the Nazi state either. It kinda jumps from Long Knives in S1E3 to the Paris walkabout at the start of S2E1.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 1, 2022 22:14:11 GMT
I'm on series 2 episode 2. Which one is you? Borman? |
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Post by colbops on Nov 1, 2022 22:25:16 GMT
I'm on series 2 episode 2. Which one is you? Borman? Hartinger obviously |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2022 14:37:28 GMT
David Irving FFS a classic  Indeed, a gold plated one |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2022 15:07:15 GMT
Pretty sure anti-aircraft shells were set to go off at a certain altitude with timed fuses so only the duds would fall back to earth. I am no War Historian or Ballistics expert, but I have taken a keen interest in WW2, here is my opinion you are correct in WW2 our anti-aircraft artillery was linked by radio to the Radar Units and Observer Units who would plot the course of enemy aircraft, numbers direction of flight and height, height was important. The Ack Ack units would set their shell fuses to explode at the same height hopefully close enough to the enemy aircraft for the metal shrapnel to hit damage or even blow up the enemy aircraft, duds and shrapnel would naturally fall to earth. During daylight raids fighters would attack the German Bombers on their way to the target, when the fighter had to disengage to refuel and rearm, the Ack Ack batteries would open fire if in range |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 6, 2022 5:17:10 GMT
The thread title refers to a docudrama series which recently popped up on BBC2 and which purports to deal with the rise and fall of Nazism in nine hour-long episodes. It’s quite good in parts, especially for someone who may not be too familiar with the history of the Third Reich, although WWII history buffs are not likely to encounter much in the way of new insights or revelations. All nine episodes are available on the iPlayer...
As the trailer shows the programme is in the now standard format combining archive footage, re-enactment and talking heads. Normally I’d avoid docudramas which rely on re-enactments like the plague but in this case they’re quite good. The producers have taken the trouble to include actors who bear some resemblance to the subjects, while clever camera-work avoids showing too much facial detail. One curious thing though – there’s no dialogue - the reason for which is obvious when you see the credits. The re-enactments were all shot in Lithuania using local actors. The BBC’s main contribution to this series is in knitting the three elements together as well as orchestrating the talking heads. And that’s where we can discern the extent to which programmes like this have been subject to dumbing down as well as how hornswoggled the BBC is by its self-imposed diversity targets. I’m just over half-way through and have counted 14 talking heads so far, including four what we might call A-list historians of the Third Reich. The other ten include former General Mike Jackson, who isn’t bad but seems to be vicariously re-living his Balkan adventures through the prism of the Eastern Front. Also featured is former chess champion Garry Kasparov who presents himself as an authority on Stalin. There are a couple of other historians of minor note, one German and one American. And there we have it – half of the so-called experts are females, few of whom are working historians and those that are are also very much minor league. But the female experts include – wait for it – Ash Sarkar, Afua Hirsch and Labour peer Baroness Helena Kennedy! I don’t think I’ll be bothering with the remaining episodes, I’m clearly not part of the BBC’s target audience. Dan, have you read The History of the Gestapo, by Jacques Delarue. I confess it's been some years since I read it, but the reason I still have the book is because it was such a good read. It gives an insight into the Nazi mind, how they feared each other and why the Nazis could never succeed. It's one of the many volumes I rescued from Mrs R's book cull when we moved to this property, however. I kept this particular volume because I've had it for years, it's an interesting book, it explains how easily people can be manipulated. |
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Post by colbops on Nov 6, 2022 10:29:25 GMT
I've finished watching the series now (its actually 3 series consisting of 3 episodes each) The second series was mainly taken up with the Eastern Front, and the third taken up by the fall of the Nazis.
My takeaway remains that the title is a bit misleading. Its not really about the rise of the Nazis
To do that it needed to
1.) start earlier, and provide a bit more about how the main protagonists came together.
2.) spend a little more time on how people came to the positions they did, and cover a few more of them.
With only 9 episodes to play with, if they wanted to cover 'the rise of' a better structure would arguably have been for series one to have covered the main gang post WW1 and how they came together, series 2 to have covered them and their new entrants as the party began to secure and strengthen political power, with the third covering the development of the movers and shakers once full control had been established.
It is an accessible, easily digestible series. People who are already familiar and interested in the subject matter aren't likely to learn anything new, but as a gentle introduction to the topic, it may well peak interest and encourage those watching to find out more. Since it seems clearly designed to do the latter it seems to serve its purpose.
As time passes we are moving into a world where people don't have a direct/ lving connection to those times at all. Programmes to spark some curiosity like this one, will be needed going forward and that might explain why it was made.
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