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Post by Bentley on Jul 10, 2023 12:48:48 GMT
Now how about you backing up your false claim and posting the act and section that says that you will be charged with ‘ paedophilia ‘ if you look at lewd pictures of 17 year olds . You can’t... Straw man alert! I never made any such assertion, you made that up. I'm beginning to think that you work for the BBC! That’s the subject of the thread. Try to keep up.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 10, 2023 17:39:08 GMT
Well, well...
Nothing to see here, and certainly not another bribe. Oh no, move along now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 19:48:43 GMT
Nope, that's just your opinion and it's still wholly irrelevant to the question of whether or not an offence of unlawful sexual activity has taken place. When I was 16 I had a 14 year old girlfriend for a time. Neither of us were paedophiles. Had we still been together when I was 18 and she was 16, I would not suddenly have become a paedophile in law on my 18th birthday. You are stretching the definition of a paedophile to a ridiculous extent. There are plenty of circumstances where sexual attraction to a 17 year old might be considered inappropriate, perhaps even illegal in some aspects. But attraction to a 17 year old does not make you a paedophile, since to all intents and purposes a 17 year old is fully developed sexually and physically. Finding a 17 year old sexually attractive can be considered normal, even though most of us are way too old to go beyond merely noticing it. Finding a 7 year old sexually attractive is a vastly more abnormal and serious thing, and trying to put both in the same category just looks silly.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 10, 2023 20:08:56 GMT
When I was 16 I had a 14 year old girlfriend for a time. Neither of us were paedophiles. Had we still been together when I was 18 and she was 16, I would not suddenly have become a paedophile in law on my 18th birthday. You are stretching the definition of a paedophile to a ridiculous extent. There are plenty of circumstances where sexual attraction to a 17 year old might be considered inappropriate, perhaps even illegal in some aspects. But attraction to a 17 year old does not make you a paedophile, since to all intents and purposes a 17 year old is fully developed sexually and physically. Finding a 17 year old sexually attractive can be considered normal, even though most of us are way too old to go beyond merely noticing it. Finding a 7 year old sexually attractive is a vastly more abnormal and serious thing, and trying to put both in the same category just looks silly. Now, let's recap: There is no universally accepted definition of paedophilia and neither does the law define it.... That is why my own personally accepted definition falls exactly into line with sexual offences as defined by law. That way I don't need to draw imaginary, and highly subjective, lines in the sand. Let me be quite clear: If you are above the legal age and you engage in sexual activity with someone defined in law as being below the legal age then you are a paedophile. No if's, no buts...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 20:13:51 GMT
If this is all it is purported to be, surely any sensible person needs to question why the parents of the 17 year old chose to first go to the BBC itself, then one of the scummiest rags on the market? When surely the proper thing to have done if all is as has been reported is to have gone to the police first and foremost?
This highlights to me the possibility - just the possibility, I am going no further than that - that this is something been over-sensationalised for whatever dubious ends. Are the parents trying to make money out of their son's problems? We just don't know yet. But what we do know is the newspaper headlines are not reliably accurate all too often. In fact, the Sun itself has form when it comes to printing what is supposedly "The Truth". Ask the people of Liverpool.
That does not mean that it is necessarily lying now. But only a gullible fool would accept such headlines now as gospel truth without first waiting for more official revelations from the authorities, including the police.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 20:15:54 GMT
If the legal age of consent is 16 ( and that does include consensual sex with or WITHOUT parental consent ), then how could indulging in sex with 17 year old be classed as conduct associated with a paedophile. ?
If a 16 year old can get married ( with parental consent ) would that make the 18 year old husband a paedophile
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 20:23:30 GMT
When I was 16 I had a 14 year old girlfriend for a time. Neither of us were paedophiles. Had we still been together when I was 18 and she was 16, I would not suddenly have become a paedophile in law on my 18th birthday. You are stretching the definition of a paedophile to a ridiculous extent. There are plenty of circumstances where sexual attraction to a 17 year old might be considered inappropriate, perhaps even illegal in some aspects. But attraction to a 17 year old does not make you a paedophile, since to all intents and purposes a 17 year old is fully developed sexually and physically. Finding a 17 year old sexually attractive can be considered normal, even though most of us are way too old to go beyond merely noticing it. Finding a 7 year old sexually attractive is a vastly more abnormal and serious thing, and trying to put both in the same category just looks silly. Now, let's recap: There is no universally accepted definition of paedophilia and neither does the law define it.... That is why my own personally accepted definition falls exactly into line with sexual offences as defined by law. That way I don't need to draw imaginary, and highly subjective, lines in the sand. Let me be quite clear: If you are above the legal age and you engage in sexual activity with someone defined in law as being below the legal age then you are a paedophile. No if's, no buts... I do not think that a 16 year old engaging in sexual activity with his 15 year old girlfriend is motivated by paedophilia, even though it is against the law. Such a definition of paedophilia would clearly be ridiculous nonsense. This would not be a crime of paedophilia, merely a crime of underage sex between young people of similar age. To treat that 16 year old lad as a paedophile would be grossly disproportionate. Linking paedophile yearnings with pre-pubescence - psychologically speaking - is much more accurate a definition. I know that when I was 16 or 17, there were 14 or 15 year olds that I still fancied. Now that I am 58 I never fancy anyone so young. A 16 or 17 year old budding paedophile would be very different in that he would likely fancy people of 9 or 10 or even younger. And he would still be doing so at my age. If you cannot tell the difference you do not understand the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 20:28:44 GMT
If the legal age of consent is 16 ( and that does include consensual sex with or WITHOUT parental consent ), then how could indulging in sex with 17 year old be classed as conduct associated with a paedophile. ? If a 16 year old can get married ( with parental consent ) would that make the 18 year old husband a paedophile Which is a splendidly well encapsulated reason why our friend's own personal definition - ie something he has made up himself - is absolutely silly nonsense.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 10, 2023 21:10:51 GMT
If this is all it is purported to be, surely any sensible person needs to question why the parents of the 17 year old chose to first go to the BBC itself, then one of the scummiest rags on the market? When surely the proper thing to have done if all is as has been reported is to have gone to the police first and foremost? According to the stepfather “I told the BBC I had gone to the police in desperation but they couldn’t do anything as they said it wasn’t illegal.''
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2023 21:13:32 GMT
Why are we discussing pedophiles? - is it not generally accepted that the 'kid' was 17 and thus perfectly able to indulge in whatever sexual activity they choose.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2023 21:14:50 GMT
If this is all it is purported to be, surely any sensible person needs to question why the parents of the 17 year old chose to first go to the BBC itself, then one of the scummiest rags on the market? When surely the proper thing to have done if all is as has been reported is to have gone to the police first and foremost? According to the stepfather “I told the BBC I had gone to the police in desperation but they couldn’t do anything as they said it wasn’t illegal.'' WTF has it to do with the stepfather who the kid wants to have sexual relationships with?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 21:14:51 GMT
If the legal age of consent is 16 ( and that does include consensual sex with or WITHOUT parental consent ), then how could indulging in sex with 17 year old be classed as conduct associated with a paedophile. ? If a 16 year old can get married ( with parental consent ) would that make the 18 year old husband a paedophile Keep up Sid. I married a girl who was 16. You have to wait till they are 18 nowadays thanks to the Tories and their extra-manifesto activities.
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Post by om15 on Jul 11, 2023 9:42:21 GMT
A top BBC presenter explains how the BBC holds and maintains editorial standards and accuracy to an audience of children. It is a very informative video and will help those still undecided about whether to pay for a TV Licence.
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Post by Handyman on Jul 11, 2023 15:41:16 GMT
In relation to the allegations made against a BBC presenter, about 20 mins ago the Independent stated.
" A young person in their early 20s felt threatened by messages they received from the BBC presenter facing allegations he paid a teenager for sexually explicit photos, the broadcaster has reported.
The individual was first contacted anonymously by the male presenter on a dating app.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 12, 2023 20:53:46 GMT
Right, so i started this thread and i think i’ll suggest this wraps it up
Despite the research by others confirming what i already knew regarding age limits - and trust me NONE of you want to be where i was in 92 - fortunately considered by the plod to be as much a victim in the eyes of the law as those whose images had been illegally uploaded to our servers.
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The wife of the presenter has shopped him
And the BBC pages intriguingly suggest the police have decided nothing illegal took place as no criminal actions are involved.
Which means either the images sold when the model was 17 were not pornographic, or (for the conspiracy theorists) there is one law for the BBC and another for the rest of us)
Either way i think this thread has run its course ..
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