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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 6:38:45 GMT
Not sure why you want these terrible events remembered annually. Do you want a Fred West day as well? Well we already have a George Floyd Day - perhaps the calendar is getting a bit full. Why not ask your MP for a Fred West day. How about a Jimmy Saville day? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 7:10:38 GMT
Well we already have a George Floyd Day - perhaps the calendar is getting a bit full. Why not ask your MP for a Fred West day. How about a Jimmy Saville day? Why would I want a Fred West Day or a Jimmy Saville day when the calendar is full enough celebrating foreign criminals.. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 8:48:52 GMT
The murder of Kriss Donald was indeed horrific. Who exactly are you saying should not be in this country. Aggressively religious bullies. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 11, 2023 14:20:08 GMT
Kris Donald's killers were caught, tried and convicted in under three years, even though it meant chasing a couple to Pakistan — which is as it should have been.
No such effort in chasing Stephen Lawrence's killers.
Stephen Lawrence was murdered in 1993. Nineteen years later, only two people were convicted and Police corruption and mishandling is still unresolved 30 years later...
Ref the BBC's coverage of Kriss Donald's kidnap, torture and horrific murder. Courtesy of Wiki: The BBC has been criticised because the case featured on national news only three times and the first trial was later largely confined to regional Scottish bulletins including the verdict itself. Although admitting that the BBC had "got it wrong", the organisation's Head of Newsgathering, Fran Unsworth, largely rejected the suggestion that Donald's race played a part in the lack of reportage, instead claiming it was mostly a product of "Scottish blindness". In preference to reporting the verdict the BBC found the time to report the opening of a new arts centre in Gateshead in its running order. The BBC again faced criticisms for its failure to cover the second trial in its main bulletins, waiting until day 18 to mention the issue, on this occasion Peter Horrocks of the BBC apologised for the BBC's further failings. Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men". A March 2004 an article in The Scotsman newspaper alleged a lack of response by authorities to concerns of rising racial tensions and that Strathclyde Police had felt pressured to abandon Operation Gather, an investigation into Asian gangs in the area, for fear of offending ethnic minorities. [Sounds familiar] In a January 2005 interview with a Scottish newspaper, prominent Pakistani Glaswegian Bashir Maan claimed that "fear and intimidation" had allowed problems with Asian gangs in some parts of the city to go unchecked. The article also quoted a former senior Strathclyde police officer who criticised "a culture of political correctness" which had allowed gang crime to "grow unfettered". Pat, you know perfectly well that if Kriss Donald had been Asian or black, and murdered by a white gang, the BBC would have regarded him as another Stephen Lawrence and spent the next twenty years shoving it down our throats. I know perfectly well that Kriss Donald's killers were chased across continents, and governments were involved in negotiating their arrest. The Police and the relevant authorities pulled out all the stops, and the detection arrests and trials were completed in less than three years.
Contrast that with the Stephen Lawrence murder in 1993 — Police inaction (and possible corruption**), let murderers loose until two out of six suspects were brought to justice 19 years later. And further evidence of mishandling and Police corruption has kept appearing over the years.
Is it this you want kept secret?
** Concerns about corrupt police conduct during the original case handling were reignited in 2013 when a former undercover police officer stated in an interview that, at the time, he had been pressured to find ways to "smear" and discredit the victim's family, in order to mute and deter public campaigning for better police responses to the case. Home Secretary Theresa May ordered an independent inquiry by a prominent QC into undercover policing and corruption, which was described as "devastating" when published in 2014.
There are still Police apologists who criticise the findings of the Macpherson inquiry from time to time and get media attention when they do. Several officers retired before they could face disciplinary charges over their "mishandling" of the case and the second in command of the murder inquiry received a caution in a Met and PCA cover-up.
Following the convictions of Dobson and Norris, Theresa May commissioned Mark Ellison QC to review Scotland Yard's investigations into alleged police corruption after Scotland Yard and the Independent Police Complaints Commission ruled that there was no new evidence to warrant further investigation. Ellison's report was presented to parliament in 2014. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, then Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police said the report, which prompted an inquiry into undercover policing, was "devastating". The report also found there were possible links between an alleged corrupt police officer and the murder of private investigator Daniel Morgan in 1987.
Thirteen years after Stephen Lawrence's murder, Duwayne Brooks was awarded £100,000 after he agreed to drop his legal action for the smears and treatment he received as a key witness to the killing.
All subsequent revelations of corruption and cover-ups need airing as they come to light — even if it gets racists' hackles rising...
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Post by patman post on Jul 11, 2023 14:44:53 GMT
Kris Donald's killers were caught, tried and convicted in under three years, even though it meant chasing a couple to Pakistan — which is as it should have been.
No such effort in chasing Stephen Lawrence's killers.
Stephen Lawrence was murdered in 1993. Nineteen years later, only two people were convicted and Police corruption and mishandling is still unresolved 30 years later...
Keith Blakelock's killers were never found, in fact a Community leader said the police got bloody good hiding the day after Blakelock was hacked to death. The Broadwater Farm riots followed Cynthia Jarrett's death, which recorded as a heart attack following being pushed over by Police while they searched her home. This was just one of several instances injuries following contact with the Police that caused flare ups in various UK cities.
Angry and misleading statements are not unusual by the public or Police during times of tension and violence — Police statements directly after the John Charles de Menezes killing illustrate that fact.
Pc Blakelock was murdered during the following riots at Broadwater Farm, and hundreds of people were arrested and interviewed most of them without lawyers, and charges were laid based on un-taped confessions. It's the Met's haphazard approach to the following investigations over subsequent years that's meant nobody's serving time for Pc Blakelock's murder...
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 16:55:53 GMT
Why not ask your MP for a Fred West day. How about a Jimmy Saville day? Why would I want a Fred West Day or a Jimmy Saville day when the calendar is full enough celebrating foreign criminals.. Well because you're British of course. We could celebrate many home grown criminals. But as we're stuck with George Floyd day, why don't you celebrate it by murdering a black guy for petty theft. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 17:33:19 GMT
Why would I want a Fred West Day or a Jimmy Saville day when the calendar is full enough celebrating foreign criminals.. Well because you're British of course. We could celebrate many home grown criminals. But as we're stuck with George Floyd day, why don't you celebrate it by murdering a black guy for petty theft. Why do you want to celebrate any criminals regardless of nationality? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 18:21:44 GMT
Well because you're British of course. We could celebrate many home grown criminals. But as we're stuck with George Floyd day, why don't you celebrate it by murdering a black guy for petty theft. Why do you want to celebrate any criminals regardless of nationality? I don't but then we don't have George Floyd day because he was a criminal so I was just treating your comments with contempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 19:43:50 GMT
Well we already have a George Floyd Day - perhaps the calendar is getting a bit full. Why not ask your MP for a Fred West day. How about a Jimmy Saville day? They could be included in a pride in sin week. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 21:14:04 GMT
Why do you want to celebrate any criminals regardless of nationality? I don't but then we don't have George Floyd day because he was a criminal so I was just treating your comments with contempt. He was a criminal in exactly the same way as Jimmy Saville and Fred West were. We don't have a Jimmy Saville day even though he raised vast amounts of money for sick children due to his criminality - yet American crooks are put on a pedestal.. Perhaps if Jimmy Saville had been black? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 21:43:13 GMT
I don't but then we don't have George Floyd day because he was a criminal so I was just treating your comments with contempt. He was a criminal in exactly the same way as Jimmy Saville and Fred West were. We don't have a Jimmy Saville day even though he raised vast amounts of money for sick children due to his criminality - yet American crooks are put on a pedestal.. Perhaps if Jimmy Saville had been black? but then we don't have George Floyd day because he was a criminal so I was just treating your comments with contempt. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 12, 2023 7:18:06 GMT
Remember Kris Donald? He was a 15 year old school boy who was kidnapped by a gang of Pakistanis in Glasgow. They tortured him, tied him up poured petrol over him and burnt him alive. It was an horrendous murder, but it's never mentioned. Next year is the 20th anniversary Kriss Donald's death, will the BBC mention it? Ha, not a chance. Their only concern is to appease an aggressive minority who consistently refuse to integrate and should not be in this country. Not sure why you want these terrible events remembered annually. Do you want a Fred West day as well? The BBC have been shoving Stephen Lawrence down our throats for the past 30 years for no other reason than he was black. For Christ sake we are even expected to celebrate Stephen Lawrence day, yes he has his own day. The BBC have made endless programmes about him, his mother was made a peer, Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon and to be honest I'm expecting the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, to announce saint Stephen's canonisation. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 12, 2023 10:06:43 GMT
Anyway, lets remind ourselves of the simmering religious extremism that was under the surface and boiled up into murderous suicidal hate on the 7th July 18 years ago.
The Salafist ideology that those terrorists were part of, needs to be challenged in our country and eradicated via education and also sometimes deportation.
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Post by patman post on Jul 12, 2023 10:58:10 GMT
Not sure why you want these terrible events remembered annually. Do you want a Fred West day as well? The BBC have been shoving Stephen Lawrence down our throats for the past 30 years for no other reason than he was black. For Christ sake we are even expected to celebrate Stephen Lawrence day, yes he has his own day. The BBC have made endless programmes about him, his mother was made a peer, Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon and to be honest I'm expecting the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, to announce saint Stephen's canonisation. Total misinformation. The Stephen Lawrence murder has kept hitting the headlines since his killing because new events and evidence of mishandling of the case continue to be uncovered. Doreen Lawrence was appointed to the Order of the British Empire for services to community relations in 2003, and was created a Life Peer in 2013. Her efforts spurred Police reforms — an ongoing task, still long short of completion. Baroness Lawrence was recognised for her work for “an inclusive society for everyone to live their best life, regardless of gender, race, sexuality, religion, disability or background”. Unless there’s information yet to be divulged of Stephen Lawrence’s good works in his short life, it’s doubtful (impossible for?) the Church of England would break with the past and create a new Saint… |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 12, 2023 16:59:15 GMT
Not sure why you want these terrible events remembered annually. Do you want a Fred West day as well? The BBC have been shoving Stephen Lawrence down our throats for the past 30 years for no other reason than he was black. For Christ sake we are even expected to celebrate Stephen Lawrence day, yes he has his own day. The BBC have made endless programmes about him, his mother was made a peer, Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon and to be honest I'm expecting the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, to announce saint Stephen's canonisation. Its not because he was black. Its because of the way the case was treated because he was black. |
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