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Post by borchester on Jul 16, 2023 13:30:13 GMT
A bit like how the Labour left and The Guardian (also has links to slavery) suck up to the corporate fascists whilst crapping all over the working classes in England. It would be surprising to find any British trading concern with roots back to the 1800's or before that didn't profit in some way from slavery. Even plenty of country clergymen and local landowners probably had a few slaves as "stock" for their income and pension plans.
Generally, slave owning in Britain up to the early 1800's was no more controversial than, say, smoking in the 1930's. But as we're often told: "those were different times"...
They were indeed.
In the past the banks were considerably less woke and an awful lot smarter
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Post by patman post on Jul 16, 2023 14:11:00 GMT
It would be surprising to find any British trading concern with roots back to the 1800's or before that didn't profit in some way from slavery. Even plenty of country clergymen and local landowners probably had a few slaves as "stock" for their income and pension plans.
Generally, slave owning in Britain up to the early 1800's was no more controversial than, say, smoking in the 1930's. But as we're often told: "those were different times"...
They were indeed.
In the past the banks were considerably less woke and an awful lot smarter
I'm not so sure — checking out the histories of some of the 89 defunct banks of the UK listed by Wiki
indicates either a high degree of carelessness or complete unawareness of the then current business environments... |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 16, 2023 22:43:23 GMT
A bit like how the Labour left and The Guardian (also has links to slavery) suck up to the corporate fascists whilst crapping all over the working classes in England. It would be surprising to find any British trading concern with roots back to the 1800's or before that didn't profit in some way from slavery. Even plenty of country clergymen and local landowners probably had a few slaves as "stock" for their income and pension plans.
Generally, slave owning in Britain up to the early 1800's was no more controversial than, say, smoking in the 1930's. But as we're often told: "those were different times"...
I thought owning slaves in Britain was actually illegal and very few slaves were actually brought to Britain at any time. The profits were mostly from foreign adventures. In Africa the Ashanti profited immensely from slavery and routinely buried or slaughtered hundreds of slaves at public events. These of course were in different times. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 17, 2023 12:20:51 GMT
The slave labour in the UK were probably the uneducated peasants living in a tied cottage to work the land for a meal and maybe make a few pennies selling what they grew themselves in their limited spare time , some ran way to the Cities during the Industrial Revolution and worked long hours for a pittance, from a very early age, life expectancy back then was short.
If caught stealing to survive , if you were not banged up or hung very likely to be deported to Australia to work for nothing for up to 15 years
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Post by patman post on Jul 17, 2023 14:43:03 GMT
It would be surprising to find any British trading concern with roots back to the 1800's or before that didn't profit in some way from slavery. Even plenty of country clergymen and local landowners probably had a few slaves as "stock" for their income and pension plans.
Generally, slave owning in Britain up to the early 1800's was no more controversial than, say, smoking in the 1930's. But as we're often told: "those were different times"...
I thought owning slaves in Britain was actually illegal and very few slaves were actually brought to Britain at any time. The profits were mostly from foreign adventures. In Africa the Ashanti profited immensely from slavery and routinely buried or slaughtered hundreds of slaves at public events. These of course were in different times. There's a school of thought that slavery was never actually illegal in Britain because it was never legally recognised in English law that one person could own or buy and sell another "as a chattel" — that is, until the modern slavery act of 2015.
Slaves who were brought to Britain had to sign documents declaring themselves to be indentured servants while in Britain. There were probably up to 15,000 slaves in Britain right up to the early 1800's...
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2023 21:52:04 GMT
I thought owning slaves in Britain was actually illegal and very few slaves were actually brought to Britain at any time. The profits were mostly from foreign adventures. In Africa the Ashanti profited immensely from slavery and routinely buried or slaughtered hundreds of slaves at public events. These of course were in different times. There's a school of thought that slavery was never actually illegal in Britain because it was never legally recognised in English law that one person could own or buy and sell another "as a chattel" — that is, until the modern slavery act of 2015.
Slaves who were brought to Britain had to sign documents declaring themselves to be indentured servants while in Britain. There were probably up to 15,000 slaves in Britain right up to the early 1800's...
The case of Somerset v Stewart in 1772 seemed to imply it was illegal although as far as I am aware it was never further tested and that was probably what led to the indentured servant scam. So let me see the criminal nation supreme in the slave trade over hundreds of years never had more than 15,000 slaves in its country and even then they had to be signed indentured servants no different to many Covenanters sent off to the colonies. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 18, 2023 0:45:06 GMT
The slave labour in the UK were probably the uneducated peasants living in a tied cottage to work the land for a meal and maybe make a few pennies selling what they grew themselves in their limited spare time , some ran way to the Cities during the Industrial Revolution and worked long hours for a pittance, from a very early age, life expectancy back then was short. If caught stealing to survive , if you were not banged up or hung very likely to be deported to Australia to work for nothing for up to 15 years During most of the 19th and into the 20th century miners were paid in 'scrip', in other words tokens that were only redeemable at the company store. Miners had no cash, they were literally slaves to the company. And if a miner was killed and had a tied house, the law said his widow had one week to remarry (a company miner) or leave the house. Widows and children were forcibly evicted and with their belongings dumped just off company property. The scrip system lasted longer in the US, until 1938 I think. But it was without a doubt state sanctioned legalised slavery and it was a lot more recent that the trans Atlantic slave trade. The big difference is, miners in the US and this country were white. So, move along folks nothing to see here. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 18, 2023 6:49:46 GMT
Good post, even before then the Romans not only brought slaves into what is now the UK , they also took slaves from the population, the Norse men did the same , as did the Barbary Pirates, the Moors carried off or bought slaves from the African Tribes or took slaves from across what is now Europe , slavery was the norm going back in the mist's of time, we still have slavery today to pay off the people Smugglers fee
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