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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 20:37:13 GMT
Orac comes up with another lie about Zany. Nothing changes. What lie? Nothing to do with you. Have you come up with a thought of your own yet. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 21:24:01 GMT
How many asylum seekers washing up on the shores of the UK come directly from a place where their life is threatened? - I doubt you would get into double figures. That is certainly the issue. And why having application centres offshore would cure much of this? how? - unless they had to wait offshore until their application was adjudicated on, then it will have no impact. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 21:41:33 GMT
That is certainly the issue. And why having application centres offshore would cure much of this? how? - unless they had to wait offshore until their application was adjudicated on, then it will have no impact. That's the idea. They apply in a third state, if they just rock up on our shore they are immediately deported to an application centre. It would require a change in the law, but then most people think that's well overdue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 21:45:58 GMT
Nothing to do with you. Have you come up with a thought of your own yet. I see, so there was no lie. I don't believe you actually come up with what you posted. It's just an unpopular position, which could have easily been derived from my previous post, where Ukrainians can apply from Ukraine, only that you meant it for the rest of the world. I can only realistically believe it's some sort of odious trolling. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 21:51:03 GMT
Nothing to do with you. Have you come up with a thought of your own yet. I see, so there was no lie. I don't believe you actually come up with what you posted. It's just an unpopular position, which could have easily been derived from my previous post, where Ukrainians can apply from Ukraine, only that you meant it for the rest of the world. I can only realistically believe it's some sort of odious trolling. You don't see. You just poke your nose in because you have no original thoughts of your own. When are you going to understand, I'm not interested in your opinion of of me or what you think I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 21:56:39 GMT
I see, so there was no lie. I don't believe you actually come up with what you posted. It's just an unpopular position, which could have easily been derived from my previous post, where Ukrainians can apply from Ukraine, only that you meant it for the rest of the world. I can only realistically believe it's some sort of odious trolling. You don't see. You just poke your nose in because you have no original thoughts of your own. When are you going to understand, I'm not interested in your opinion of of me or what you think I think. I asked you "What lie?". Obviously an overt fascist is only interested in their own opinion, but this isn't a fascist forum. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 21:59:42 GMT
You don't see. You just poke your nose in because you have no original thoughts of your own. When are you going to understand, I'm not interested in your opinion of of me or what you think I think. I asked you "What lie?". Obviously an overt fascist is only interested in their own opinion, but this isn't a fascist forum. I don't care what you are interested in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 22:05:46 GMT
I asked you "What lie?". Obviously an overt fascist is only interested in their own opinion, but this isn't a fascist forum. I don't care what you are interested in. How sweet of you. If only it were applicable to somebody actually requesting your opinion as to why something was a lie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 6:28:52 GMT
no the convention applies to people travelling to claim asylum. Domestic law also covers the matter. The convention makes clear that claimants cannot be penalised for crossing a border if they are coming directly from a place where their life or freedom is threatened.How many asylum seekers washing up on the shores of the UK come directly from a place where their life is threatened? - I doubt you would get into double figures. You are getting confused by the meaning of the word 'direct'. We can all go on holiday 'direct' to a foreign country while passing through other countries. In fact, unless you go by plane and then you still 'pass through' other countries airspace, it would be impossible to to travel. Refugees are coming 'directly' to the UK via (going through or stopping at a place on the way to another place) could not possibly travel from say Burundi to the UK without going through other countries but they are still coming to the UK directly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 12, 2023 6:35:00 GMT
That's right, according to legislation penned in 1951 when the world was a very different place. No, according to you in 2023. You acknowledged above that travelling to the UK via Poland doesn't make Ukrainians any less refugees. Pillock. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 12, 2023 6:40:03 GMT
Of course Ukrainians fleeing war from their country are refugees, why on earth would you ask if they are refugees? They are fleeing war and hopefully you will never know what that's like. However, there's a massive difference between a refugee and the criminal scum who this poxy government continue to allow into this country from France. So, are Sudanese fleeing war? How many safe countries do you think there are between Sudan and the UK? Regardless of status people should not have a right to choose which country they go to. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 12, 2023 6:44:01 GMT
No, according to you in 2023. You acknowledged above that travelling to the UK via Poland doesn't make Ukrainians any less refugees. Pillock. I think you missed his point. What makes someone a refugee is not how they reached your country, but what circumstance they come from. The Ukrainians you consider to be refugees travelled through Europe to get to England just as do the ones from Albania. You could argue that these Ukrainian refugees were safe in France and could have stopped there. So Red, what is the difference between the two? How many safe countries did the Ukrainians travel through to get to the UK, (see my point above) |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 12, 2023 6:48:37 GMT
how? - unless they had to wait offshore until their application was adjudicated on, then it will have no impact. That's the idea. They apply in a third state, if they just rock up on our shore they are immediately deported to an application centre. It would require a change in the law, but then most people think that's well overdue. Sounds like the Rwanda plan... |
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Post by Orac on Jul 12, 2023 6:51:35 GMT
How many safe countries did the Ukrainians travel through to get to the UK, (see my point above) Did large numbers of Ukrainians enter France illegally? I wasn't aware of this |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 12, 2023 7:03:21 GMT
I suspect some people will never move on.  I know some people are still moaning about multiculturalism that happened 30 years ago. Multiculturalism is an absolute myth, it does not work. It undermines national unity and social integration, it fragments society into ethnic factions and creates ghettoes. Areas that are mainly black or Asian are hailed as wonderfully multicultural and diverse, yet areas that are mainly white are said to be not very multicultural or diverse. In every country, notably western countries, where multiculturalism has been tried it has caused and continues to cause huge problems because locals do want their communities flooded with strangers who do not share their beliefs values or way of life and few will be surprised to hear that immigrants do not integrate, they colonise areas which breeds resentment. Multiculturalism is an absolute myth. |
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