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Post by oracle75 on Jul 11, 2023 7:59:56 GMT
Switzerland is also part of the Schengen Agreement.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 8:50:30 GMT
Economic growth, lower unemployment, free trade deals of our own, political independence.
So glad I voted leave.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 11, 2023 9:26:14 GMT
Economic growth, lower unemployment, free trade deals of our own, political independence. So glad I voted leave. You're part of the 32%. Good man. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 10:44:20 GMT
Is 32% code for winner?
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 11, 2023 10:48:45 GMT
Winner of the Razzberry Cup for the most limited, repetitive waste of space seen in public.
I wonder if he is ever taken out of his cot?
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 11:02:22 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 12, 2023 7:48:22 GMT
Switzerland is also part of the Schengen Agreement. I know.  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 12, 2023 7:58:04 GMT
You'll notice that it says that Switzerland is "part of it through bilateral treaties". So it separates Switzerland from EU and EEA members. It's just an example of loose wording. SWitzerland has partial access to the SM via bilateral deals. So do a lot of other countries, such as Albania for example. Oh, now it's loose wording!   Partial participation IS participation. Switzerland is part of the Single Market via its bilateral deals. It is a fact. Established. Generally accepted. Non debatable. Not subject to your interpretation and/or reinterpretation. The EU says it. The EU tells you that. The EU always counts Switzerland as a Single Market participant. Give it a rest. The EU would very much like Switzerland to be a member of the Single Market and they've been pressuring them for decades to join. The Swiss govt would like to join too. But the people are very, very much against it. Switzerland has partial "access to the SM" - but any country that negotiates a trade deal with the EU gets partial access to the SM - like Albania for example. But Switzerland officially remains a "third country" - even according to the EU.  And you can't be "part of the SM by bilateral deals". Bilateral deals bypass the SM - and all the rigmarole involved in it. The interesting thing is that Switzerland, in many ways, has a looser arrangement with the EU than we have yet trades without friction - which exposes the total hypocrisy of the EU's refusal to allow Northern Ireland to leave the Single Market. It's obvious that the EU is determined to break up the UK - as they said they would. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 11:12:23 GMT
Oh, now it's loose wording! Partial participation IS participation. Switzerland is part of the Single Market via its bilateral deals. It is a fact. Established. Generally accepted. Non debatable. Not subject to your interpretation and/or reinterpretation. The EU says it. The EU tells you that. The EU always counts Switzerland as a Single Market participant. Give it a rest. The EU would very much like Switzerland to be a member of the Single Market and they've been pressuring them for decades to join. The Swiss govt would like to join too. But the people are very, very much against it. Switzerland has partial "access to the SM" - but any country that negotiates a trade deal with the EU gets partial access to the SM - like Albania for example. But Switzerland officially remains a "third country" - even according to the EU. And you can't be "part of the SM by bilateral deals". Bilateral deals bypass the SM - and all the rigmarole involved in it. The interesting thing is that Switzerland, in many ways, has a looser arrangement with the EU than we have yet trades without friction - which exposes the total hypocrisy of the EU's refusal to allow Northern Ireland to leave the Single Market. It's obvious that the EU is determined to break up the UK - as they said they would. The EU is not pushing for Switzerland to be a member of the SM. That would be extraneous and pointless since Switzerland is already a "member of the SM" by way of its bilateral deals. What the EU has been pushing for is a treaty that over arches these bilateral deals. And, yeah, Switzerland is a third country -- one that participates in the SM. The fact is, any third country that ticks all EU boxes can apply and negotiate to participate in the SM without it being a member of the EU. That's an option for the UK. Nobody or nothing bypasses the Single Market. The Single Market is the end destination. The last stop. There is nothing beyond the Single Market. You don't bypass the Single Market in order to get to the Single Market. It is an absurd and a ridiculous idea, isn't it? What you bypass is the direct, fastest, route to the Single Market which is EU membership. If you don't want EU membership but want to be in the EU Single Market? Then you bypass EU membership and get to the Single Market by way of a treaty like the EU-EEA treaty (Norway, Lich, Ice). You can also bypass EU membership by way of bilateral deals -- like Switzerland's. Repeat: you do not bypass the Single Market. You try to get to the Single Market. If you can do it without having to be an EU member and that's your preferred route; then well and good. Let me know if you finally understand the structure and how it works; then maybe we can start talking about the politics and morality of it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 13, 2023 6:40:21 GMT
This is just pure disinformation, gnome. As I've said before in my experience Remoaners are generally ignorant of the structure of the EU, but you're the most stupid I've encountered. Bye.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 9:07:06 GMT
This is just pure disinformation, gnome. As I've said before in my experience Remoaners are generally ignorant of the structure of the EU, but you're the most stupid I've encountered. Bye. You don't know the meaning of the word "disinformation." You can't even make a distinction between the EU itself and the Single Market! You're just incapable of accepting reality when reality doesn't fit your narrative and you are not equipped to handle yourself and your arguments well when someone dismantles them. You know it. And I know it. Calling me names may make you feel better about yourself but it will never change the reality that Switzerland is in the Single Market. All the best to you and your chums. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 14, 2023 12:18:51 GMT
Switzerland is not in the Single Market - it's a third country. So you're a liar. I said this on another post which seems to have been deleted. So I'll say it again, you're a liar. I personally think that your posts are so full of nonsense and deliberate lies that you should be sanctioned. There are limits to free speech.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 13:03:27 GMT
Switzerland is not in the Single Market - it's a third country. So you're a liar. I said this on another post which seems to have been deleted. So I'll say it again, you're a liar. I personally think that your posts are so full of nonsense and deliberate lies that you should be sanctioned. There are limits to free speech. ^ ^ Doesn't know the difference between a stock market and a currency market; can't distinguish between the EU and the Single Market; can't make the distinction between a Third Country and a Single Market participant. Bye, Felicia! |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 15, 2023 6:18:21 GMT
As for the stock market I've spent decades managing my own multi-million pound portfolio of shares, so I have a pretty good understanding of how it works, unlike you. And the EU and the Single Market are parts of the same beast The only countries that are in the Single Market are either EU members or EEA members. And Switzerland is in neither and is regarded as a third country - just like the UK. I suggest you stop lying, gnome - you're just making a fool of yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 14:33:29 GMT
As for the stock market I've spent decades managing my own multi-million pound portfolio of shares, so I have a pretty good understanding of how it works, unlike you. And the EU and the Single Market are parts of the same beast The only countries that are in the Single Market are either EU members or EEA members. And Switzerland is in neither and is regarded as a third country - just like the UK. I suggest you stop lying, gnome - you're just making a fool of yourself. ^^ Left with nothing but double downs and protestations. Protests too much. |
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