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Post by Handyman on Jul 4, 2023 9:51:21 GMT
According to the Police Federation.
"Serving police officers are using food banks because their pay is too low to support their families during the cost of living crisis, the home secretary has been told.
The chair of the Police Federation, which represents almost 140,000 rank-and-file officers in England and Wales, raised concerns that increasing numbers of officers would leave policing as a result.
“Over the last decade, we have seen a real-term pay cut of around 20 per cent and other costs haven’t stood still – gas, electric and fuel costs all continue to rise, and national insurance contributions increased,” Steve Hartshorn told a conference in Manchester.
“Our members are told they are brave; they are told they do a unique job. They were thanked for putting themselves and their families in danger as Covid gripped the country, and yet that acknowledgement amounted to nothing.
“It’s frustrating to see and hear from colleagues who are struggling to feed their families and going to food banks.”
Here in London they are working longer hours due to the protests which will mean they are probably on overtime taken off their normal duties or volunteering to work their days off to get the overtime
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 4, 2023 19:27:58 GMT
Handyman, I'm having some difficulty believing any police constables have to rely on foodbanks. On completion of initial training a police constable earns £31,143. OK not a kings ransom but anyone who cant manage on £31,000 is either a bad money manager or is living well beyond his means.
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Post by Handyman on Jul 5, 2023 8:13:42 GMT
Handyman, I'm having some difficulty believing any police constables have to rely on foodbanks. On completion of initial training a police constable earns £31,143. OK not a kings ransom but anyone who cant manage on £31,000 is either a bad money manager or is living well beyond his means. That is what the Police Federation have stated , I did hear that some Officers in the Met cannot afford accommodation in London and often sleep in their car or even in the locker room of Police Stations, when you consider the average rent in London is now £2,000 a month it is hardly surprising that £30 odd grand does not go far, especially if you have a family West Australian Police had a recruiting drive recently in the UK , allegedly lots of Officers have applied as they provide better pay and working conditions , lets face it if you had a choice of Policing in parts of London, Birmingham or Manchester or Australia which would you choose ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 8:24:31 GMT
Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) as the name suggests are just that Community support officers, they have no powers of arrest.
Conducting patrols and providing a visible presence in the community
Providing crime prevention advice and personal safety advice
Liaising with key people in the community, such as local business and religious leaders
Engaging with young people, including work in the community and in schools
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Post by Cartertonian on Jul 5, 2023 8:25:01 GMT
In my view this fits with a trend we have seen over the last thirty years, whereby the assault on the public sector started by the Thatcher government and merely mitigated, rather than reversed, by Blair/Brown, continues apace.
The same thing has happened in my field. When I was training, thirty-odd years ago, most wards would have five or six qualified nurses on the ward, with a couple of HCAs. Today, most wards have one or two qualified nurses on the ward and five or six HCAs.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 5, 2023 11:42:19 GMT
Ok a couple of things
First to set the scene. If your house catches fire you view the firemen as heroes. If you get pulled out to sea by a rip current you think the same of the RNLI.
But if questioned those guys - and girls these days and if theyvate butch enough then why not i say - will almost certainly make light of it as just doing their job
It isn’t modesty its the truth. They train and train and train again so they can arrive at your worst nightmare and get stuck in to what to them is another day at the office
And i speak as one trained by the fire brigade to observe, to realise when to take action myself and when to get the fuck out and call the heavy mob.
And four people continued to walk the earth after i dragged them out of maelstroms fit for an old spice ad
So i know this from a position of having done it
A few Years ago the social media mob crucified two hobby bobbies for standing and doing nothing as two kids drowned. Well guess what first they didn’t do nothing they did the most important thing they could, they called in the heavy mob
Having done that they realised there were no flotation aids (theyd been vandalised) no tree branches, poles, ropes, balls, NOTHING
And they KNEW if they jumped in that shit they’d die too
So they did what i am trained to do. Watch two kids die knowing if you jump in the coroner will be holding an inquest on three, or four.
I vocally defended those guys because i know the reality. That the last thing any rescuer should become is an extra casualty.
Now one of those four i pulled out of an old spice or guinness commercial did tax my system beyond breaking point but i knew when i went in i had plenty of spare capacity to get us both back where the rest of tbe crew could help and help me if need be and as it turned out so it was. I was on an oxygen mask on the beach 30 minutes after the guy i rescued had been taken in, a motorbike paramedic stayed with me to see if a second ambulance would be needed, it wasn’t
So with that background in place let’s see
A uniformed officer in a marked police vehicle refuses to aid citizens under attack. But worse than that the git would’t even call it in according to what i’ve read
Hobby Bobbies are a distraction, and in fact have no legal right to turn the blues and twos on, which people may not realise. Their role is strictly limited and as tbe OP suggests they are a total waste of time and money. Whatever happenned to Special Constables ? Unless i’m seriously mistaken a special is a part timer who gets paid pro rata but they swear the constable’s oath do they not ? Which means they are a less trained and less experienced version of the full time plod but have essentially the same powers under the law
I think we should ditch PSCOs as a waste of time and push other ways - like Special Constables - to boost manpower as needed
And the twonk at the front and centre of this story needs to very publicly get a P45 NOT for refusing to engage - he’s not trained - but for refusing to even call for help.
And someone needs to review that restriction on using blues and twos because what was this a bunch of drunk teenagers causing aggro ? How many if them are going to stand and fight, and how many piss themselves and leg it, at the sound and sight of marked plod even if he’s doing twenty up tbe road in case he hits a pedestrian
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 5, 2023 14:07:08 GMT
Handyman, I'm having some difficulty believing any police constables have to rely on foodbanks. Sergeant Eldest Son rang at lunchtime , and I asked him about this. He doesn't know of ANY colleague reduced to such straits. Everyone is tightening their (gadget) belts due to cost of living, etc - but they're a pretty long way off Food Banks. (Although that might not be a bad option for some, what with the amount of takeaways they seem to get through..) |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 5, 2023 14:48:48 GMT
Well some Police Officers are, BBC interviewed Rowley the Mets Commissioner in January this year.
"Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says he is "concerned" officers are relying on food banks due to low pay.
Speaking to the BBC, Sir Mark said his officers had seen a real-terms pay cut of 14% in a decade and were "frustrated".
It comes amid reports from charities that officers from across the country have been using food parcels to get by.
In the capital, the City of London Police Federation set up a food bank in December to help struggling members.
In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Sir Mark said he was "concerned about the cumulative effect of challenging pay".
The Police Federation for Cleveland also made it known in December.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2023 15:01:21 GMT
I never forgave Blunkett for his biometric bollocks especially as it was said later he had shares in the company. The shares he bought were nothing to do with biometrics. They were in a company providing DNA paternity tests. Which, given Mr Blunkett's own, somewhat tangled, personal life probably saved him a few bob along the way. On the main subject, Sergeant Eldest Son quite likes having PCSOs around. They can do a lot of the otherwise time consuming follow up work, and thus free up highly paid and trained coppers - and their local intelligence can come in pretty handy, too. They're only as useful as the person telling them what to do, remember.. Nope, they're useless. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2023 15:02:35 GMT
Yep about as much use as a Chocolate Tea Pot They might be paid less but the money wasted could pay for fewer but real cops. Yep, for every three PCSOs (who can do very little) we could have two real cops who can do any policing task.
They are a false economy.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 5, 2023 15:05:32 GMT
Well some Police Officers are, BBC interviewed Rowley the Mets Commissioner in January this year. "Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says he is "concerned" officers are relying on food banks due to low pay. Speaking to the BBC, Sir Mark said his officers had seen a real-terms pay cut of 14% in a decade and were "frustrated". It comes amid reports from charities that officers from across the country have been using food parcels to get by. In the capital, the City of London Police Federation set up a food bank in December to help struggling members. In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Sir Mark said he was "concerned about the cumulative effect of challenging pay". The Police Federation for Cleveland also made it known in December. I'll take that at face value, obviously. I can only report, anecdotally, that the Thin Blue Line of South Yorkshire, while not exactly farting through silk, are probably still able to pass wind through good Egyptian Cotton. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2023 15:08:00 GMT
Well some Police Officers are, BBC interviewed Rowley the Mets Commissioner in January this year. "Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says he is "concerned" officers are relying on food banks due to low pay. Speaking to the BBC, Sir Mark said his officers had seen a real-terms pay cut of 14% in a decade and were "frustrated". It comes amid reports from charities that officers from across the country have been using food parcels to get by. In the capital, the City of London Police Federation set up a food bank in December to help struggling members. In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Sir Mark said he was "concerned about the cumulative effect of challenging pay". The Police Federation for Cleveland also made it known in December. I'll take that at face value, obviously. I can only report, anecdotally, that the Thin Blue Line of South Yorkshire, while not exactly farting through silk, are probably still able to pass wind through good Egyptian Cotton. And the cost of living in South Yorkshire vs the cost of living in the South East? Clue: The London weighting doesn't even begin to cover it. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 5, 2023 15:16:45 GMT
Well some Police Officers are, BBC interviewed Rowley the Mets Commissioner in January this year. "Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says he is "concerned" officers are relying on food banks due to low pay. Speaking to the BBC, Sir Mark said his officers had seen a real-terms pay cut of 14% in a decade and were "frustrated". It comes amid reports from charities that officers from across the country have been using food parcels to get by. In the capital, the City of London Police Federation set up a food bank in December to help struggling members. In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Sir Mark said he was "concerned about the cumulative effect of challenging pay". The Police Federation for Cleveland also made it known in December. I'll take that at face value, obviously. I can only report, anecdotally, that the Thin Blue Line of South Yorkshire, while not exactly farting through silk, are probably still able to pass wind through good Egyptian Cotton. I take it as provable facts , West Yorkshire Constabulary, and Humberside states the same it is happening right across the Police Service in England and Wales. Firefighters are also having to use them |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 5, 2023 15:17:43 GMT
They might be paid less but the money wasted could pay for fewer but real cops. Yep, for every three PCSOs (who can do very little) we could have two real cops who can do any policing task.
They are a false economy.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 5, 2023 16:59:10 GMT
Well some Police Officers are, BBC interviewed Rowley the Mets Commissioner in January this year. "Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says he is "concerned" officers are relying on food banks due to low pay. Speaking to the BBC, Sir Mark said his officers had seen a real-terms pay cut of 14% in a decade and were "frustrated". It comes amid reports from charities that officers from across the country have been using food parcels to get by. In the capital, the City of London Police Federation set up a food bank in December to help struggling members. In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Sir Mark said he was "concerned about the cumulative effect of challenging pay". The Police Federation for Cleveland also made it known in December. I'll take that at face value, obviously. I can only report, anecdotally, that the Thin Blue Line of South Yorkshire, while not exactly farting through silk, are probably still able to pass wind through good Egyptian Cotton. I’m afraid Walter police officers in Yorkshire are using foodbanks www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-police-officers-being-forced-to-use-food-banks-says-federation-4063163and here www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20141790.police-officers-west-yorkshire-forced-use-food-banks-police-fed-chief-claims/ |
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