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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 19:43:37 GMT
I know they are not . They should instead of import cheap foreign labour . If they paid more money then more people would apply immediately imo. Why should you apply to a local care home and get £1.50 an hour less than Tesco ? Why should you take in all the legal documents and liabilities ( and the rush ) to be a domiciliary care worker for £1 an hour less than Tescos ? So, what are you doing about it — besides berating me when I query the helpfulness of New Conservative proposals to stop granting visas to care workers from overseas…? They are right .We shouldn’t import cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults. You must have missed that the first time around . |
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 19:57:54 GMT
So, what are you doing about it — besides berating me when I query the helpfulness of New Conservative proposals to stop granting visas to care workers from overseas…? They are right .We shouldn’t import cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults. You must have missed that the first time around . I don’t disagree. If you look back in the thread you’ll see I’ve posted similar. But all that’s happening on here is complaints about foreigners working in the care industry, and nobody is proposing an immediate solution to a problem that’s here and now, and needs more care workers now…! |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 20:01:35 GMT
They are right .We shouldn’t import cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults. You must have missed that the first time around . I don’t disagree. If you look back in the thread you’ll see I’ve posted similar. But all that’s happening on here is complaints about foreigners working in the care industry, and nobody is proposing an immediate solution to a problem that’s here and now, and needs more care workers now…! Nope. The complaints are about importing migrants to work in the care industry. The immediate solution is to pay care workers more money . The mid term solution is to increase training. Importing foreign labour en masse is not a solution. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 4, 2023 20:27:30 GMT
They are right .We shouldn’t import cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults. You must have missed that the first time around . I don’t disagree. If you look back in the thread you’ll see I’ve posted similar. But all that’s happening on here is complaints about foreigners working in the care industry, and nobody is proposing an immediate solution to a problem that’s here and now, and needs more care workers now…! It's hardly rocket science. Abolish work visas for care workers and care home owners will have to react to attract non-immigrant care home workers. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 5, 2023 9:03:01 GMT
But is raising wages to attract local staff going to alleviate the immediate problem?
Maybe someone will suggest that vulnerable care home residents should take up the unused seats on flights to Rwanda, where they could also use what's been paid for accommodation and care —— it could have the benefit of removing the problem of elderly care from the local scene...
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 5, 2023 9:13:09 GMT
The 'immediate problem' hasn't arisen overnight so it's unrealistic to expect an immediate solution. But increasing wages, if necessary at the cost of reducing financial returns for the conglomerates which control the care home sector, as well as improving training and working conditions would be an excellent start.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 5, 2023 9:15:59 GMT
But is raising wages to attract local staff going to alleviate the immediate problem? Maybe someone will suggest that vulnerable care home residents should take up the unused seats on flights to Rwanda, where they could also use what's been paid for accommodation and care —— it could have the benefit of removing the problem of elderly care from the local scene... Thanks for letting us know that you were trolling all along 👍 |
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Post by patman post on Jul 5, 2023 10:12:55 GMT
But is raising wages to attract local staff going to alleviate the immediate problem? Maybe someone will suggest that vulnerable care home residents should take up the unused seats on flights to Rwanda, where they could also use what's been paid for accommodation and care —— it could have the benefit of removing the problem of elderly care from the local scene... Thanks for letting us know that you were trolling all along 👍 You appear to have a highly developed knack of misinterpreting and misunderstanding what's posted by others — it's no wonder some threads go round in circles... |
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Post by patman post on Jul 5, 2023 10:22:02 GMT
The 'immediate problem' hasn't arisen overnight so it's unrealistic to expect an immediate solution. But increasing wages, if necessary at the cost of reducing financial returns for the conglomerates which control the care home sector, as well as improving training and working conditions would be an excellent start. I do not disagree.
But snuffing out what could be retained as a limited and temporary source of care workers simply for being able to perform political wheelies during election campaigning will harm the vulnerable, unless alternatives can be found...
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Post by Bentley on Jul 5, 2023 10:27:50 GMT
Thanks for letting us know that you were trolling all along 👍 You appear to have a highly developed knack of misinterpreting and misunderstanding what's posted by others — it's no wonder some threads go round in circles... You appear to be projecting. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 5, 2023 10:54:12 GMT
The 'immediate problem' hasn't arisen overnight so it's unrealistic to expect an immediate solution. But increasing wages, if necessary at the cost of reducing financial returns for the conglomerates which control the care home sector, as well as improving training and working conditions would be an excellent start. I do not disagree.
But snuffing out what could be retained as a limited and temporary source of care workers simply for being able to perform political wheelies during election campaigning will harm the vulnerable, unless alternatives can be found...
The problem with relying on 'limited and temporary source' of migrant labour is that they usually turn to be anything but temporary.
As Helmut Schmidt remarked about the German Gastarbeiter scheme "We thought we were importing temporary workers to do a specific job and who would then return home. But as it turned out we were bringing people and families who have remained here permanently even though the original economic rationale for their presence no longer applies".
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Post by patman post on Jul 5, 2023 11:11:47 GMT
I do not disagree.
But snuffing out what could be retained as a limited and temporary source of care workers simply for being able to perform political wheelies during election campaigning will harm the vulnerable, unless alternatives can be found...
The problem with relying on 'limited and temporary source' of migrant labour is that they usually turn to be anything but temporary.
As Helmut Schmidt remarked about the German Gastarbeiter scheme "We thought we were importing temporary workers to do a specific job and who would then return home. But as it turned out we were bringing people and families who have remained here permanently even though the original economic rationale for their presence no longer applies".
If a UK temporary worker scheme doesn't work, can't one be devised that will?
The new India Young Professionals Scheme visa allows** Indian citizens between 18 and 30 years old to live and work in the UK for up to two years. Surely, temporarily modifying this to cover trained care workers should be possible...
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 5, 2023 11:24:47 GMT
The Indian scheme can't be used as a template for anything else since it has only just started and it remains to be seen how many return home on expiration of their visa.
On the other hand it is well-known that, as an illegal migrant, as long as you can remain under the radar for a few years you will not be deported even if you are unlucky enough to be apprehended. Should the worst happen there is always Article 8 of the Human Rights Act to invoke with the help of one or another of the dozens of charities specialising in 'migrants rights' along with their stables of sympathetic lawyers eager and willing to take on your case.
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Post by patman post on Jul 5, 2023 11:44:38 GMT
The Indian scheme can't be used as a template for anything else since it has only just started and it remains to be seen how many return home on expiration of their visa. On the other hand it is well-known that, as an illegal migrant, as long as you can remain under the radar for a few years you will not be deported even if you are unlucky enough to be apprehended. Should the worst happen there is always Article 8 of the Human Rights Act to invoke with the help of one or another of the dozens of charities specialising in 'migrants rights' along with their stables of sympathetic lawyers eager and willing to take on your case. But isn't this the time to devise a system catering specifically for temporary care workers with stringent restrictions and limitations that applicants have to sign to prove they know and understand the restrictions...?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 5, 2023 13:19:45 GMT
It almost sounds as though you believe the UK is still a trust-based society in which people abide by rules, regulations and commitments they sign up to even where it is not in their interest to do so. Those days have long since past I'm afraid.
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