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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 17:24:56 GMT
Carers struggle to find support for loved ones amid 'enormous' staff shortage in adult care sector
England has an estimated 165,000 vacancies in the adult care sector, with 10.9% of social care jobs unfilled, according to data from Skills for Care.
Healthcare staff shortage main factor in near-record job vacancies
ONS analysis shows sector accounts for more than one in 10 of job ads posted online in December
One report suggests that 8.2% of care roles are unfilled. This amounts to a shortage of around 100,000 carers. A shortage of carers mean that many patients are “stuck” in hospital. They cannot be discharged because there isn’t the care staff to support them outside of hospital.
Just three of the 47,300,000 results Google in answer to << uk care worker shortage >> and they're from 2023...
The problem is wages and conditions . Care workers in care homes usually get minimum wage . Domiciliary care workers get slightly higher wages but they need a car or be partnered with someone with a care . Iirc Tescos pay about a pound an hour more than domiciliary care workers . Instead of importing cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults we should pay the carers more and facilitate better training . The point is that We — whoever this We are — don't pay enough or create the conditions to attract enough people from the local population to fill the care vacancies.
So what is going to happen while the required changes might be legislated for — will the vulnerable remain in hospital, or stay uncared for in their own homes, or elderly families struggle provide the care needed...? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 17:31:22 GMT
The problem is wages and conditions . Care workers in care homes usually get minimum wage . Domiciliary care workers get slightly higher wages but they need a car or be partnered with someone with a care . Iirc Tescos pay about a pound an hour more than domiciliary care workers . Instead of importing cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults we should pay the carers more and facilitate better training . The point is that We — whoever this We are — don't pay enough or create the conditions to attract enough people from the local population to fill the care vacancies.
So what is going to happen while the required changes might be legislated for — will the vulnerable remain in hospital, or stay uncared for in their own homes, or elderly families struggle provide the care needed...? We are our society. Your first sentence just repeated my last point. What is going to happen when we import cheap labour from around the world to care for vulnerable adults? Not exactly a quick fix , is it? |
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 17:37:02 GMT
The point is that We — whoever this We are — don't pay enough or create the conditions to attract enough people from the local population to fill the care vacancies.
So what is going to happen while the required changes might be legislated for — will the vulnerable remain in hospital, or stay uncared for in their own homes, or elderly families struggle provide the care needed...? We are our society. Your first sentence just repeated my last point. What is going to happen when we import cheap labour from around the world to care for vulnerable adults? Not exactly a quick fix , is it? It's not the best fix for us or them, but it's worked in the past — whereas just cutting off the supply and moaning about immigrants does nothing — and will do nothing immediately even if training is implemented and wages are doubled right now... |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 4, 2023 17:40:23 GMT
Carers struggle to find support for loved ones amid 'enormous' staff shortage in adult care sector
England has an estimated 165,000 vacancies in the adult care sector, with 10.9% of social care jobs unfilled, according to data from Skills for Care.
Healthcare staff shortage main factor in near-record job vacancies
ONS analysis shows sector accounts for more than one in 10 of job ads posted online in December
One report suggests that 8.2% of care roles are unfilled. This amounts to a shortage of around 100,000 carers. A shortage of carers mean that many patients are “stuck” in hospital. They cannot be discharged because there isn’t the care staff to support them outside of hospital.
Just three of the 47,300,000 results Google in answer to << uk care worker shortage >> and they're from 2023...
The problem is wages and conditions . Care workers in care homes usually get minimum wage . Domiciliary care workers get slightly higher wages but they need a car or be partnered with someone with a care . Iirc Tescos pay about a pound an hour more than domiciliary care workers . Instead of importing cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults we should pay the carers more and facilitate better training . Got it in one. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 17:43:01 GMT
We are our society. Your first sentence just repeated my last point. What is going to happen when we import cheap labour from around the world to care for vulnerable adults? Not exactly a quick fix , is it? It's not the best fix for us or them, but it's worked in the past — whereas just cutting off the supply and moaning about immigrants does nothing — and will do nothing immediately even if training is implemented and wages are doubled right now... Paying more and increasing training isn’t cutting off the supply is it ? You can’t turn a tap on and English speaking, appropriate foreign migrants fall out ( complete with housing) can you ? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 4, 2023 17:46:19 GMT
A fundamental problem is that the care sector is now almost entirely profit-driven so care home owners are completely focused on containing costs, hence the preference for Africans who will work for minimum wage (or less) and the extreme reluctance to take on native workers and pay them a proper wage for the very demanding job they do.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 18:04:50 GMT
A fundamental problem is that the care sector is now almost entirely profit-driven so care home owners are completely focused on containing costs, hence the preference for Africans who will work for minimum wage (or less) and the extreme reluctance to take on native workers and pay them a proper wage for the very demanding job they do. It’s about cutting corners but making sure that the blame will fall on the care worker . Both the care homes and domiciliary care companies do it . Profits are so thin afaik. Some domiciliary care workers spend unpaid time with care users . |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 4, 2023 18:23:24 GMT
There is no shortage of care workers so why should we import more? It's total fallacy that they are an asset. With every foreign care worker they usualy bring ther families who will bum of the state. If they do come here on their own they still send their wages to famies out of the UK and that puts money into the coffers of other countries rather than having it circulate in the UK.
England has an estimated 165,000 vacancies in the adult care sector, with 10.9% of social care jobs unfilled, according to data from Skills for Care.
Healthcare staff shortage main factor in near-record job vacancies
ONS analysis shows sector accounts for more than one in 10 of job ads posted online in December
One report suggests that 8.2% of care roles are unfilled. This amounts to a shortage of around 100,000 carers. A shortage of carers mean that many patients are “stuck” in hospital. They cannot be discharged because there isn’t the care staff to support them outside of hospital.
Just three of the 47,300,000 results Google in answer to << uk care worker shortage >> and they're from 2023...
No shortage of agency carers...Most carers worth their salt work for an agency at about £450 per night and £375 per day. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 4, 2023 19:12:02 GMT
Reading through threads on this forum and its predecessor over the past few years it’s remarkable how a supposed fictional character has captured the thinking of so many posters here — more remarkable because of the obvious self-inflicted damage such thinking has adversely affected the UK. Even Enoch hasn’t left such a lasting legacy. Now we get “New Conservatives” want to restrict foreign care home workers and students coming to the UK, because… because… why? There really is no positive reason… I remember when you were "Charlemagne" on the BDF.
You were a tit then, as well.  |
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 19:14:44 GMT
Reading through threads on this forum and its predecessor over the past few years it’s remarkable how a supposed fictional character has captured the thinking of so many posters here — more remarkable because of the obvious self-inflicted damage such thinking has adversely affected the UK. Even Enoch hasn’t left such a lasting legacy. Now we get “New Conservatives” want to restrict foreign care home workers and students coming to the UK, because… because… why? There really is no positive reason… I remember when you were "Charlemagne" on the BDF.
You were a tit then, as well. Not me… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 4, 2023 19:15:21 GMT
Bullshit.
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 19:18:22 GMT
It's not the best fix for us or them, but it's worked in the past — whereas just cutting off the supply and moaning about immigrants does nothing — and will do nothing immediately even if training is implemented and wages are doubled right now... Paying more and increasing training isn’t cutting off the supply is it ? You can’t turn a tap on and English speaking, appropriate foreign migrants fall out ( complete with housing) can you ? But nobody’s paying more and increasing training isn’t happening, is it? And even if both started now, when do you suppose there’d be any improvement…? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 19:23:50 GMT
Paying more and increasing training isn’t cutting off the supply is it ? You can’t turn a tap on and English speaking, appropriate foreign migrants fall out ( complete with housing) can you ? But nobody’s paying more and increasing training isn’t happening, is it? And even if both started now, when do you suppose there’d be any improvement…? I know they are not . They should have instead of importing cheap foreign labour . If they paid more money then more people would apply immediately imo. Why should you apply to a local care home and get £1.50 an hour less than Tesco ? Why should you take in all the legal documents and liabilities ( and the rush ) to be a domiciliary care worker for £1 an hour less than Tescos ? |
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 19:32:37 GMT
Tourette’s kicked it again, has it…? |
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 19:37:49 GMT
But nobody’s paying more and increasing training isn’t happening, is it? And even if both started now, when do you suppose there’d be any improvement…? I know they are not . They should instead of import cheap foreign labour . If they paid more money then more people would apply immediately imo. Why should you apply to a local care home and get £1.50 an hour less than Tesco ? Why should you take in all the legal documents and liabilities ( and the rush ) to be a domiciliary care worker for £1 an hour less than Tescos ? So, what are you doing about it — besides berating me when I query the helpfulness of New Conservative proposals to stop granting visas to care workers from overseas…? |
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