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Post by patman post on Jul 3, 2023 10:33:59 GMT
Reading through threads on this forum and its predecessor over the past few years it’s remarkable how a supposed fictional character has captured the thinking of so many posters here — more remarkable because of the obvious self-inflicted damage such thinking has adversely affected the UK.
Even Enoch hasn’t left such a lasting legacy.
Now we get “New Conservatives” want to restrict foreign care home workers and students coming to the UK, because… because… why? There really is no positive reason…
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Post by Bentley on Jul 3, 2023 10:40:18 GMT
Oh dear.Another thread claiming that controlling immigration equals racism . Yawn….
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Post by Handyman on Jul 3, 2023 12:02:14 GMT
Reading through threads on this forum and its predecessor over the past few years it’s remarkable how a supposed fictional character has captured the thinking of so many posters here — more remarkable because of the obvious self-inflicted damage such thinking has adversely affected the UK. Even Enoch hasn’t left such a lasting legacy. Now we get “New Conservatives” want to restrict foreign care home workers and students coming to the UK, because… because… why? There really is no positive reason… What a load of nonsense Alf Garnet was a totally fictional character a loud mouth ignorant moron that lost all and every argument, the black care worker actor won hands down every time as it was intended by the script writer. Alf played by Warren Mitchell born in Stoke Newington knew all about racism and fascists as his parents were Russian Jews that had fled Russia As for Enoch Powell a very intelligent man who joined the Army as fast as he could to fight the fascists later went up the Ranks and served in Military Intelligence, when he became a Politician and made that speech in Birmingham which the gutter press later called in the " River of Blood speech " simply quoted Virgil's Aeneid. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'. He was against mass immigration because he thought there would be racial tension and violence in the future , he was proved right we read about every day in the media, some who are not very bright think wrongly that only white people that can be racists, totally wrong I lost count the number of times I was racially abused in my working life,
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 4, 2023 7:09:18 GMT
Reading through threads on this forum and its predecessor over the past few years it’s remarkable how a supposed fictional character has captured the thinking of so many posters here — more remarkable because of the obvious self-inflicted damage such thinking has adversely affected the UK. Even Enoch hasn’t left such a lasting legacy. Now we get “New Conservatives” want to restrict foreign care home workers and students coming to the UK, because… because… why? There really is no positive reason… Well one positive reason could be that population growth is now out of control and since it is wholly driven by present and earlier immigration (the native population is declining) restricting or eliminating immigration is perhaps the only humane way to get it back under control.
Restricting foreign care home workers will have the effect of improving wages and conditions for native workers in that sector, and eliminating foreign students will have the effect of slimming down the bloated tertiary education 'industry' releasing skilled resources that can be re-deployed into more productive sectors of the economy. So all goodness there.
What other good ideas from the New Conservatives can you tell us about?
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 8:51:26 GMT
Immigration should be controlled, and aimed at attracting people the UK needs. Other countries have such schemes. And there seems nothing wrong in publicising the requirements of other countries in order to encourage people here to consider moving out. Apparently, the current difficulties here are causing some doctors and nurses to apply for positions overseas.
Do many foreign students avail themselves of Mickey Mouse courses in order to get to the UK? If so that should be stopped, but selling places at accredited universities and the like should help keep costs do for UK students and help promote the UK overseas.
But it seems strange to think it’s OK to restrict available care for vulnerable elderly people in a quest for higher pay…
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Post by jonksy on Jul 4, 2023 11:38:09 GMT
Immigration should be controlled, and aimed at attracting people the UK needs. Other countries have such schemes. And there seems nothing wrong in publicising the requirements of other countries in order to encourage people here to consider moving out. Apparently, the current difficulties here are causing some doctors and nurses to apply for positions overseas. Do many foreign students avail themselves of Mickey Mouse courses in order to get to the UK? If so that should be stopped, but selling places at accredited universities and the like should help keep costs do for UK students and help promote the UK overseas. But it seems strange to think it’s OK to restrict available care for vulnerable elderly people in a quest for higher pay… There is no shortage of care workers so why should we import more? It's total fallacy that they are an asset. With every foreign care worker they usualy bring ther families who will bum of the state. If they do come here on their own they still send their wages to famies out of the UK and that puts money into the coffers of other countries rather than having it circulate in the UK.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 12:08:16 GMT
Yes , let’s import cheap Labour from abroad to look after vulnerable old people . What could go wrong ?
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Post by wapentake on Jul 4, 2023 12:59:57 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 13:07:40 GMT
Yup. Lefties love the idea of bringing in cheap foreign Labour by the boatload and dumping them on the vulnerable and poor . Alls fair in the pursuit of the marxist wet dream.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 4, 2023 14:24:41 GMT
Reading through threads on this forum and its predecessor over the past few years it’s remarkable how a supposed fictional character has captured the thinking of so many posters here — more remarkable because of the obvious self-inflicted damage such thinking has adversely affected the UK. Even Enoch hasn’t left such a lasting legacy. Now we get “New Conservatives” want to restrict foreign care home workers and students coming to the UK, because… because… why? There really is no positive reason… What a load of nonsense Alf Garnet was a totally fictional character a loud mouth ignorant moron that lost all and every argument, the black care worker actor won hands down every time as it was intended by the script writer. Alf played by Warren Mitchell born in Stoke Newington knew all about racism and fascists as his parents were Russian Jews that had fled Russia As for Enoch Powell a very intelligent man who joined the Army as fast as he could to fight the fascists later went up the Ranks and served in Military Intelligence, when he became a Politician and made that speech in Birmingham which the gutter press later called in the " River of Blood speech " simply quoted Virgil's Aeneid. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'. He was against mass immigration because he thought there would be racial tension and violence in the future , he was proved right we read about every day in the media, some who are not very bright think wrongly that only white people that can be racists, totally wrong I lost count the number of times I was racially abused in my working life, I suppose there is a case for saying he’s alive and well,in the form of his fictional great grand child that is but things have changed. He/she or non determined takes part in just stop oil protests,thinks this country was a member of the eu since records began and that all old people stole their future whilst living the life of Riley.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 15:32:16 GMT
Oh dear.Another thread claiming that controlling immigration equals racism . Yawn…. Yeah, I also yawned whilst reading the retro bait.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 15:45:54 GMT
You can watch ‘ til death us do part’ on ‘ That’s TV’ about 10.30pm. It’s quite interesting to see how it’s aged and you can play ‘ who’s dead and who’s still alive ‘..which is fun for over 60s.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 4, 2023 15:46:06 GMT
No other country in Europe has an open labour market scheme for foreigners (ie non-EU nationals) like the UK. Those countries which do operate such a scheme use the EU ‘Blue Card’ for skilled workers they are trying to bring in from outside the EU. But the numbers are tiny compared to the UK, less than 30,000 across the whole of the EU compared to 270,000 in the UK (2022). In addition, the conditions for issue are far more stringent, with minimum salaries in the € 55000 range, compared to £ 26200 in the UK.
It’s hardly surprising given the extremely high proportion of foreign doctors and nurses in the NHS that some locally-qualified medical staff perceive their career options in the UK are limited. Especially in places like London where a third of doctors and a quarter of nurses are foreign-born.
There’s certainly evidence that some mediocre universities offer such courses in great number to attract foreign students to boost their revenues. But more disturbing is the dramatic over-representation of foreign students at so-called elite universities, especially those in the ‘Russell Group’. In such cases there is no available study which confirms that foreign fee income goes to subsidise ‘home students’ rather than support other ‘projects’. The net result is that many tens of thousands of British students are denied the opportunity to attend such institutions. At the end of the day, the question that needs to addressed is: What is the function of the higher education sector? Is it to provide a quality education for foreigners, many of whom are nationals of countries that are commerical rivals or even potential adversaries? Or is it to train Britain’s future leadership and cognitive elite?
Given that over 90% of care home places for the elderly are privately owned it’s not so much a matter of a quest for higher pay, but one for higher profits.
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 17:02:51 GMT
Immigration should be controlled, and aimed at attracting people the UK needs. Other countries have such schemes. And there seems nothing wrong in publicising the requirements of other countries in order to encourage people here to consider moving out. Apparently, the current difficulties here are causing some doctors and nurses to apply for positions overseas. Do many foreign students avail themselves of Mickey Mouse courses in order to get to the UK? If so that should be stopped, but selling places at accredited universities and the like should help keep costs do for UK students and help promote the UK overseas. But it seems strange to think it’s OK to restrict available care for vulnerable elderly people in a quest for higher pay… There is no shortage of care workers so why should we import more? It's total fallacy that they are an asset. With every foreign care worker they usualy bring ther families who will bum of the state. If they do come here on their own they still send their wages to famies out of the UK and that puts money into the coffers of other countries rather than having it circulate in the UK. Carers struggle to find support for loved ones amid 'enormous' staff shortage in adult care sector England has an estimated 165,000 vacancies in the adult care sector, with 10.9% of social care jobs unfilled, according to data from Skills for Care.
Healthcare staff shortage main factor in near-record job vacancies ONS analysis shows sector accounts for more than one in 10 of job ads posted online in December
One report suggests that 8.2% of care roles are unfilled. This amounts to a shortage of around 100,000 carers. A shortage of carers mean that many patients are “stuck” in hospital. They cannot be discharged because there isn’t the care staff to support them outside of hospital.
Just three of the 47,300,000 results Google in answer to << uk care worker shortage >> and they're from 2023...
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2023 17:07:55 GMT
There is no shortage of care workers so why should we import more? It's total fallacy that they are an asset. With every foreign care worker they usualy bring ther families who will bum of the state. If they do come here on their own they still send their wages to famies out of the UK and that puts money into the coffers of other countries rather than having it circulate in the UK. Carers struggle to find support for loved ones amid 'enormous' staff shortage in adult care sector England has an estimated 165,000 vacancies in the adult care sector, with 10.9% of social care jobs unfilled, according to data from Skills for Care.
Healthcare staff shortage main factor in near-record job vacancies ONS analysis shows sector accounts for more than one in 10 of job ads posted online in December
One report suggests that 8.2% of care roles are unfilled. This amounts to a shortage of around 100,000 carers. A shortage of carers mean that many patients are “stuck” in hospital. They cannot be discharged because there isn’t the care staff to support them outside of hospital.
Just three of the 47,300,000 results Google in answer to << uk care worker shortage >> and they're from 2023...
The problem is wages and conditions . Care workers in care homes usually get minimum wage . Domiciliary care workers get slightly higher wages but they need a car or be partnered with someone with a care . Iirc Tescos pay about a pound an hour more than domiciliary care workers . Instead of importing cheap labour to care for vulnerable adults we should pay the carers more and facilitate better training .
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