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Post by Equivocal on Jul 2, 2023 9:13:24 GMT
Edit: I had a look on Youtube to see if there might be a quick summary of his thinking. The only John Gardner that came up was an American novelist. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 2, 2023 12:52:23 GMT
Edit: I had a look on Youtube to see if there might be a quick summary of his thinking. The only John Gardner that came up was an American novelist. I took a look at it. His observation that the courts are doing justice between 'offender and offender' rather than 'offender and victim' is interesting. |
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Post by Equivocal on Jul 3, 2023 9:00:27 GMT
I took a look at it. His observation that the courts are doing justice between 'offender and offender' rather than 'offender and victim' is interesting. I don’t think that is particularly controversial; it’s what the Sentencing Council aims to do through the Guidelines. Certainly, by taking account of victim impact the proportionality is skewed by moral luck (Brian Williams) but, if an offender takes the chance, I suppose that’s fair enough. I was thinking more of the effect on potential vigilantism if the displacement becomes too wide as a counter to your, I paraphrase, white-collar criminals don’t need normalization. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 3, 2023 9:06:07 GMT
I took a look at it. His observation that the courts are doing justice between 'offender and offender' rather than 'offender and victim' is interesting. I don’t think that is particularly controversial; it’s what the Sentencing Council aims to do through the Guidelines. Certainly, by taking account of victim impact the proportionality is skewed by moral luck (Brian Williams) but, if an offender takes the chance, I suppose that’s fair enough. I was thinking more of the effect on potential vigilantism if the displacement becomes too wide as a counter to your, I paraphrase, white-collar criminals don’t need normalization. No, it's not controversial, but it is a succinct exposition of what is already known. I do agree that state punishment stems the urge to vigilantism. I've seen mobs attack thieves in Africa on TV. I don't see that happening with white collar criminals in the UK, though. I'm far more interested in Foucault at the moment. As you know, he says that 'the prison' is the source of our notion of what is 'normal'. It is fascinating that transgender women are being transferred to female prisons. If Foucault is correct, the anti-transgender movement lost the battle when that began to happen. |
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Post by Equivocal on Jul 3, 2023 14:17:23 GMT
I'm far more interested in Foucault at the moment. As you know, he says that 'the prison' is the source of our notion of what is 'normal'. It is fascinating that transgender women are being transferred to female prisons. If Foucault is correct, the anti-transgender movement lost the battle when that began to happen. No bites - never mind. :-)
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 3, 2023 14:18:58 GMT
I'm far more interested in Foucault at the moment. As you know, he says that 'the prison' is the source of our notion of what is 'normal'. It is fascinating that transgender women are being transferred to female prisons. If Foucault is correct, the anti-transgender movement lost the battle when that began to happen. No bites - never mind. :-)
A gammon discussing Foucault? What planet are you living on? |
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