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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 11:12:34 GMT
Exports to the whole world went up after our vote to leave, prior to the referendum, our country had been in decline with falling exports and rising imports. A dangerous and unsustainable situation which we put a stop to. Membership of the EU was dreadful. Thank fuck we're out. What about Brexit and food price inflation, Iggy? What about the fact that the EU is selling more to the UK than it ever has? Looks like the German car manufacturers got what they wanted without lifting a finger to help your Brexiter buddies in high office. So that is why they are demanding the EU imposed tariffs on exports to the UK be shelved? Well if everyone is happy..  |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 1, 2023 11:14:43 GMT
What about Brexit and food price inflation, Iggy? What about the fact that the EU is selling more to the UK than it ever has? Looks like the German car manufacturers got what they wanted without lifting a finger to help your Brexiter buddies in high office. So that is why they are demanding the EU imposed tariffs on exports to the UK be shelved? Well if everyone is happy.. Either way, the EU is selling more to the UK than ever before (based on figures from the start of the year). |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 17:07:59 GMT
So that is why they are demanding the EU imposed tariffs on exports to the UK be shelved? Well if everyone is happy.. Either way, the EU is selling more to the UK than ever before (based on figures from the start of the year). Good - we are selling more to the EU and the EU are selling more to us - Brexit is a success and everyone is happy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 1, 2023 17:10:14 GMT
Either way, the EU is selling more to the UK than ever before (based on figures from the start of the year). Good - we are selling more to the EU and the EU are selling more to us - Brexit is a success and everyone is happy. Except for the list. You know ... the one you don't like seeing? If 30% of the UK's food comes from the EU, and the low value of the pound is increasing that cost, is it fair to say that Brexit has contributed to food inflation? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 17:32:33 GMT
No - because the value of the pound has not significantly changed since 2017 and up until 2021 UK inflation was around 2%.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 2, 2023 7:13:15 GMT
I was ready to brush this off as kind of "more of the same." Until I hit the part about Tim Martin demonstrating his severe, -- dangerous, even -- lack of understanding of what democracy means. And yet nothing Mr Martin said was wrong... The last part of the OP highlighted about examples of what he says is a lack of democracy is factually wrong. Since he says that was the central reason he wanted to leave, he can be considered the most ill informed public hero of the referendum. He has been disproven countless times and he still repeats it. I call that dishonesty...which was very popular back then. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 7:18:21 GMT
And yet nothing Mr Martin said was wrong... The last part of the OP highlighted about examples of what he says is a lack of democracy is factually wrong. Since he says that was the central reason he wanted to leave, he can be considered the most ill informed public hero of the referendum. He has been disproven countless times and he still repeats it. I call that dishonesty...which was very popular back then. What part of the following is factually wrong? 'you don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 2, 2023 7:24:59 GMT
He just stated his feelings about a few facts about the EU -- how can be wrong? Or right, even. What are you talking about? These are facts: 'don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' The UK does not elect the PM by universal suffrage, and the last thing you want is a politicised judiciary. It does not happen in either the UK or the USZ nor in any other democracy. The judiciary should have no relationship with any other branch of government. Unfortunately this has been perverted in the US Supreme Court which is nominated by the President. The recent decision on abortion has stripped women of their personal human rights and was done as much for political as religious reasons. There should be no reflection between the judiciary and politics. There are three presidents in the EU. The President of the Commission is voted on by the directly elected Parliament from candidates put up by the largest political parties elected to parliament Mr.expert on beer should stop being given the opportunity to continue to disseminate lies. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 2, 2023 7:27:31 GMT
Either way, the EU is selling more to the UK than ever before (based on figures from the start of the year). Good - we are selling more to the EU and the EU are selling more to us - Brexit is a success and everyone is happy. Not more cars. Just bigger prices reflecting inflation and the fall in the value of the pound post Brexit. Count the cars, not the cash. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 2, 2023 7:35:06 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jul 2, 2023 7:35:19 GMT
The last part of the OP highlighted about examples of what he says is a lack of democracy is factually wrong. Since he says that was the central reason he wanted to leave, he can be considered the most ill informed public hero of the referendum. He has been disproven countless times and he still repeats it. I call that dishonesty...which was very popular back then. What part of the following is factually wrong? 'you don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.'Well said. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 2, 2023 8:24:47 GMT
Except it is a pack of misinformation.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 2, 2023 8:55:32 GMT
What part of the following is factually wrong? 'you don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.'Well said. Good man, Iggy. Since the EU was established there have been hundreds of different governments in the member states, hundreds of different opposition parties. Can you point to even one that has cared about the above? Just one. This just isn't something anyone cares about. It's a complete red herring. The only people who care about it are old men in the UK, and they don't really care about it, they just need to distract from their real xenophobic and empire nostalgic reasons for wanting to leave. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 2, 2023 9:33:05 GMT
Good man, Iggy. Since the EU was established there have been hundreds of different governments in the member states, hundreds of different opposition parties. Can you point to even one that has cared about the above? Just one. This just isn't something anyone cares about. It's a complete red herring. The only people who care about it are old men in the UK, and they don't really care about it, they just need to distract from their real xenophobic and empire nostalgic reasons for wanting to leave. What are the Bolsheviks on about now? I know it will be lack of global investment? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 2, 2023 9:42:38 GMT
The Commission aren't elected.
The voter has no way of expressing support for or opposition of their policies in member states.
The Common External Tariff is aggressively protectionist.
The Common Agricultural Policy is so shit George Monbiot has gone to great lengths to write articles criticising it.
The Common Fisheries Policy exists to support supertrawlers.
The EU itself is anarcho capitalistic economic Darwinism.
Freedom of movement overwhelmingly favours whites.
Freedom of movement exists to compress wages and undermines the efforts of trade unions to have decent wages.
Amazing that lefties support that antidemocratic shit show.
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