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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2023 11:06:15 GMT
What are you talking about? These are facts: 'don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' That's because the treaties don't permit it, Doc. How many times have the elected heads of the member states sought to change the treaties to allow those things? They have the power to do that in the Council. How many citizen petitions have there been to change those things? There is a citizens'' right to petition for change. So, if nobody wants those changes, why are you moaning? Well they are either facts or they are feelings - if you are agreeing they are facts then let gnome know because he seems a tad confused. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 11:06:34 GMT
He just stated his feelings about a few facts about the EU -- how can be wrong? Or right, even. What are you talking about? These are facts: 'don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' Yes. And the only thing he said was that those facts were the bones he had to pick with the EU. He was just saying that he had a few grievances against the EU. That's all. Once again: his feelings -- "my bons to pick with the EU", Facts "is you don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament. (facts) " |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 11:09:13 GMT
The good thing is, with the pound no longer being overvalued, exports to the EU are up from £223.3 billion in 2015 to £340bn now. Well above inflation. So businesses are benefiting and the premise of this thread is bollocks. I'm no economist, but if the pound has fallen, doesn't that mean that imports are more expensive? The UK imports 30% of its food from the EU. Doesn't that mean that Brexit has contributed to food price inflation? What are your thoughts, Iggy? Thank you. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 11:10:52 GMT
That's because the treaties don't permit it, Doc. How many times have the elected heads of the member states sought to change the treaties to allow those things? They have the power to do that in the Council. How many citizen petitions have there been to change those things? There is a citizens'' right to petition for change. So, if nobody wants those changes, why are you moaning? Well they are either facts or they are feelings - if you are agreeing they are facts then let gnome know because he seems a tad confused. I was just saying that there are mechanisms to address all the supposed 'flaws' you pointed out. Your problem is that nobody but Brexiters perceive them as flaws. You can't point to a single instance of an EU member state having a problem with any of those things. They're a problem only in the minds of those who need to find flaws to disguise the real reasons they wanted to leave the EU. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2023 17:25:51 GMT
Well they are either facts or they are feelings - if you are agreeing they are facts then let gnome know because he seems a tad confused. I was just saying that there are mechanisms to address all the supposed 'flaws' you pointed out. Your problem is that nobody but Brexiters perceive them as flaws. You can't point to a single instance of an EU member state having a problem with any of those things. They're a problem only in the minds of those who need to find flaws to disguise the real reasons they wanted to leave the EU. It's not for you to declare what people in this country decide to view at flaws - they are perfectly able to make up their own minds. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 17:41:19 GMT
I was just saying that there are mechanisms to address all the supposed 'flaws' you pointed out. Your problem is that nobody but Brexiters perceive them as flaws. You can't point to a single instance of an EU member state having a problem with any of those things. They're a problem only in the minds of those who need to find flaws to disguise the real reasons they wanted to leave the EU. It's not for you to declare what people in this country decide to view at flaws - they are perfectly able to make up their own minds. LOL!!! Nobody, not a single member state, not the government in a member state or the opposition in Parliament in a member state, has ever, ever had a problem with those things. Never. The only people who have ever had a problem are little old darlings like you, who likely voted for the reasons your avatar suggest, and now feel the need to find some sort of intellectual justification. The UK has a functional government, but it has a highly dysfunctional democracy. The idea that you wanted to leave the EU for democratic reasons is simply a joke, when much, much more functionally democratic countries are more than content to remain in the EU. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 17:52:31 GMT
You okay, Doc? You've been brooding in this section for a while now. Do you need me to call anyone?
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 18:01:38 GMT
Doc, I'm becoming really concerned. Do you need medical assistance?
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 18:05:00 GMT
Live, Dammit!
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2023 21:30:01 GMT
It's not for you to declare what people in this country decide to view at flaws - they are perfectly able to make up their own minds. LOL!!! Nobody, not a single member state, not the government in a member state or the opposition in Parliament in a member state, has ever, ever had a problem with those things. Never. The only people who have ever had a problem are little old darlings like you, who likely voted for the reasons your avatar suggest, and now feel the need to find some sort of intellectual justification. The UK has a functional government, but it has a highly dysfunctional democracy. The idea that you wanted to leave the EU for democratic reasons is simply a joke, when much, much more functionally democratic countries are more than content to remain in the EU. Look - I'm not telling the people in other countries what they should do, that is a decision for them. I would expect you to reciprocate and show the same courtesy to the British. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 21:53:37 GMT
LOL!!! Nobody, not a single member state, not the government in a member state or the opposition in Parliament in a member state, has ever, ever had a problem with those things. Never. The only people who have ever had a problem are little old darlings like you, who likely voted for the reasons your avatar suggest, and now feel the need to find some sort of intellectual justification. The UK has a functional government, but it has a highly dysfunctional democracy. The idea that you wanted to leave the EU for democratic reasons is simply a joke, when much, much more functionally democratic countries are more than content to remain in the EU. Look - I'm not telling the people in other countries what they should do, that is a decision for them. I would expect you to reciprocate and show the same courtesy to the British. If you've got something to say, Doc, just say it. I've already discussed this with you in a pm. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2023 21:57:46 GMT
Look - I'm not telling the people in other countries what they should do, that is a decision for them. I would expect you to reciprocate and show the same courtesy to the British. If you've got something to say, Doc, just say it. We had this discussion on the old forum. You'll remember that Lewis had to get involved when a big row broke out over this topic in respect of myself, Gnome, and others. This site is said to be subject to the same rules as the old site, yet here you are, a mod, openly doing something that Lewis censored a poster for doing on the old site. You are openly breaking a standard which the mods set on the old site. It's not my place to tell you or the site owner what rules to apply - that is your business - just be honest enough to admit that what you are doing would have earned you a moderators' warning on the old site. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I ever had a problem with Lewis and cannot remember any interaction with him. Any involvement you had with the moderators on the old site is down to you - please do not try and involve me. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 22:02:15 GMT
If you've got something to say, Doc, just say it. We had this discussion on the old forum. You'll remember that Lewis had to get involved when a big row broke out over this topic in respect of myself, Gnome, and others. This site is said to be subject to the same rules as the old site, yet here you are, a mod, openly doing something that Lewis censored a poster for doing on the old site. You are openly breaking a standard which the mods set on the old site. It's not my place to tell you or the site owner what rules to apply - that is your business - just be honest enough to admit that what you are doing would have earned you a moderators' warning on the old site. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I ever had a problem with Lewis and cannot remember any interaction with him. Any involvement you had with the moderators on the old site is down to you - please do not try and involve me. As I said, everything was explained to you in a pm. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 1, 2023 7:34:58 GMT
Exports to the whole world went up after our vote to leave, prior to the referendum, our country had been in decline with falling exports and rising imports. A dangerous and unsustainable situation which we put a stop to.
Membership of the EU was dreadful. Thank fuck we're out.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 1, 2023 8:29:26 GMT
Exports to the whole world went up after our vote to leave, prior to the referendum, our country had been in decline with falling exports and rising imports. A dangerous and unsustainable situation which we put a stop to. Membership of the EU was dreadful. Thank fuck we're out. What about Brexit and food price inflation, Iggy? What about the fact that the EU is selling more to the UK than it ever has? Looks like the German car manufacturers got what they wanted without lifting a finger to help your Brexiter buddies in high office. |
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