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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 10:44:10 GMT
I havz seen no proof that disproves either post. If you think you have provided it, you dont have the ability to argue your case in this thread. So i shall look around for a better informed member. Well just look at the first item in your Tony Blair link. Britain’s trade has been hit significantly by its departure from the single market. Trade in goods with the EU fell sharply after the Brexit transition period ended, with UK imports from the EU dropping by approximately 25 per cent more than UK imports from the rest of the world, a trend which persisted throughout 2021. A recent revision to the official trade data (marked as “EU adjusted” in the chart below) has shown a slight uplift in imports compared to previous data, but the EU imports are still shown to have underperformed the non-EU ones.That we are importing less from the EU is a hit to the EU not us - it matters not a jot to anyone in the UK if they now get Lamb from New Zealand rather than Ireland, or cars from China instead of France. We still get the imports so its no change for us - it is the EU that has lost out. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 6, 2023 12:52:06 GMT
Exactly. We can now bilaterally do FTAs and get cheaper imports.
As such the EU is losing out, we're also exporting more. Businesses are benefitting, independence is working.
Remoaners are bad losers.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 6, 2023 16:34:40 GMT
I have seen no proof that disproves either post. If you think you have provided it, you dont have the ability to argue your case in this thread. So i shall look around for a better informed member. Well just look at the first item in your Tony Blair link. Britain’s trade has been hit significantly by its departure from the single market. Trade in goods with the EU fell sharply after the Brexit transition period ended, with UK imports from the EU dropping by approximately 25 per cent more than UK imports from the rest of the world, a trend which persisted throughout 2021. A recent revision to the official trade data (marked as “EU adjusted” in the chart below) has shown a slight uplift in imports compared to previous data, but the EU imports are still shown to have underperformed the non-EU ones.That we are importing less from the EU is a hit to the EU not us - it matters not a jot to anyone in the UK if they now get Lamb from New Zealand rather than Ireland, or cars from China instead of France. We still get the imports so its no change for us - it is the EU that has lost out. Oh for gods sake. The EU nations trade across the globe. They hardly notice any change in its exportds to the UK. But two pages back you were boasting that the UK isnt losing any trade vis z vis the EU. Iggy even tried to suggest your trade has gone up. Make up your mind. At least be consistent. I"m out. You just say things to make an argument. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 17:17:49 GMT
Well just look at the first item in your Tony Blair link. Britain’s trade has been hit significantly by its departure from the single market. Trade in goods with the EU fell sharply after the Brexit transition period ended, with UK imports from the EU dropping by approximately 25 per cent more than UK imports from the rest of the world, a trend which persisted throughout 2021. A recent revision to the official trade data (marked as “EU adjusted” in the chart below) has shown a slight uplift in imports compared to previous data, but the EU imports are still shown to have underperformed the non-EU ones.That we are importing less from the EU is a hit to the EU not us - it matters not a jot to anyone in the UK if they now get Lamb from New Zealand rather than Ireland, or cars from China instead of France. We still get the imports so its no change for us - it is the EU that has lost out. Oh for gods sake. The EU nations trade across the globe. They hardly notice any change in its exportds to the UK. But two pages back you were boasting that the UK isnt losing any trade vis z vis the EU. Iggy even tried to suggest your trade has gone up.
Make up your mind. At least be consistent. I"m out. You just say things to make an argument. Our Exports to the EU have risen - our Imports from the EU have fallen. The UK is not responsible for the amount of goods that the EU export - if they are exporting less to the UK then its the businesses in the EU that need to up their game. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 6, 2023 18:00:36 GMT
It is due to weak demand and investment by the UK.Hnome has ex0lained it.
The EU continues to grow.
The UK needs the EU far more than the UK needs the EU. Just the rate of growth says so.
You were told but refused to listen.you voted fori it. Now live with it and stop complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 19:02:56 GMT
It is due to weak demand and investment by the UK. Gnome has explained it. The EU continues to grow. The UK needs the EU far more than the UK needs the EU. Just the rate of growth says so. You were told but refused to listen. you voted for it. Now live with it and stop complaining. (Typos corrected for you)Actually, we're not complaining. An EU-phile started the thread, it seems rude not to post in it. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 6, 2023 19:35:17 GMT
We are not. If you just look at the last 3 years when we have not been members of the EU our exports to the EU have still risen (in whatever currency you want to use) Exactly. And remoaners cannot change the facts to suit their fantasy. Brexit is a success. Even Labour know it. More bad news for the EUSSR....
Dyson wins crucial battle in Brussels fight over vacuum rules
£150m damages claim brought by Sir James Dyson over Brussels vacuum cleaner regulations should be heard, the EUSSR Court of Justice (ECJ) has been told.
The opinion by a senior adviser to the EUSSRs top court has given the Brexit-backing inventor fresh hope in his decade-long legal battle with Brussels over green rules which he claims have harmed sales of Dyson products.
A lower EUSSR court had dismissed the damages claim against the European Commission over rules governing A-G energy efficiency labels.
But advocate general Tamara Ćapeta said the Commission’s error was “sufficiently serious” for the lawsuit to be considered.
She advised the ECJ to overrule the lower court’s decision, before sending the case back to it so that other possible liabilities for damages could be examined.
A Dyson spokesman said: “It has taken ten years to reach this point in relation to a regulation which misled consumers in Britain and the EUSSR and damaged Dyson.
“We welcome the advocate general’s opinion in support of Dyson’s appeal and await the judgment of the court in due course.”
While advice from the Luxembourg court’s Advocate General is not binding on EUSSR judges, it is usually followed.
Sir James successfully challenged rules in the Energy Labelling Directive, which he said put his bagless cleaners at a disadvantage to bagged cleaners, in a fight that began in 2013.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 6, 2023 21:02:51 GMT
What does the EUSSR mean?
And what does it have to do with UK business?
I live in the EU and can buy bagless Dyson vacuim cleaners. Always could.
I have had bagless cleaners for years, though not a Dyson. Too expensive and full of gizmos i dont need to clean my floors.
If Dyson represented UK business you might have a point. But he is hard to keep up with...has design and prodiction centres wherever he can get cheap labour and low taxes.
"In 2019, Dyson announced the company's permanent move from the United Kingdom to Singapore, where its headquarters are at the St James Power Station building.[11] Ever since, the company has conducted its base of operations out of Singapore, with its headquarters being the hub for Dyson's research and engineering teams, as well as commercial, advanced manufacturing and supply chain operations.[9][11] In 2022, Dyson announced that it would be investing a further S$1.5 billion in the country.[9]"
What a pity he didnt invest 1.5 billion in his home country.
Write SIR James a letter and ask him why not.
As for the EU, I doubt it even registered on the "alert"scale.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 21:22:09 GMT
It is due to weak demand and investment by the UK.Hnome has ex0lained it. The EU continues to grow. The UK needs the EU far more than the UK needs the EU. Just the rate of growth says so.You were told but refused to listen.you voted fori it. Now live with it and stop complaining. What does it say to you? - to me it says we are pretty average.  |
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Post by thomas on Jul 7, 2023 6:34:24 GMT
of course not monte , but thats not the comparison is it?
The comparison with what reminers did from 2016 to 2019 would be if labour won the next general election , the tories refusing to accept democracy and demanding labour didnt become the government .
That is what many people , including myself who didnt vote brexit , found completely nauseating reagarding many remainers. Starmer , labour and many remainers tarred themselves ingloriously with the anti democrat brush , and its a stain that is going to take a long time to wash off if ever.
Is this why you stopped arguing for Scottish Independence after the Indy Ref? The way you just quietly accepted the result of the vote should be an example to us all. again no comparison. The result of the 2014 indy ref was immediately implemented. The winners got the prize. Meanwhile in the uk , the result of the 2016 brexit ref was not only delayed , but anti democratic remianers in parliament , cheered on by many remainers outside of parliament , attempted to anti demcoratically overturn the result as we know , leading to public anger and johnsons 2019 landslide to get brexit done.
In democracy , you hold a vote , then the result is implemented , and dissenting voices then have the chance to argue about it again. We cant keep holding votes if anglo remainers are going to throw their toys out of the pram everytime they lose and try and overturn democracy can we?
I support your argument against brexit , just not your tantrums against democracy.
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Post by thomas on Jul 7, 2023 6:36:29 GMT
i havent claimed otherwise. Brexit was a proces in our democracy that remainers lost , and tried to overturn. Thats the point.
the brexit referendum result wasnt undemocratic. not sure what you are saying here.
You hold a vote. You implement the result without the losers squealing . Then you go again . You can in fac hold as many referendums as you like , but for some people too much democracy can be a terrible thing.
So all in all gnome im not sure what the point is of your post and why its aimed at me.
However, when it is called for, we must drive home the point that overturning an undemocratic referendum by way of another referendum is, per se, a democratic process. It wasnt an undemocratic referendum , and overturning it isnt democracy , and as everyone outside of cloud cuckoo land saw in 2019 , the public clearly didnt support overturning it. end of story.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 7, 2023 6:36:52 GMT
He just stated his feelings about a few facts about the EU -- how can be wrong? Or right, even. What are you talking about? These are facts: 'don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' Which President? There are three. If you mean of the commission s/he, the PM of the UK isnt voted in by direct vote of the people either. AND MEP'S CAN PROPOSE LEGISLATION. SO CAN THE POPULATION BY PETITION. YOU HAVE HAD THIS EXPLAINED TIME AFTER TIME. WHY DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THE LIE? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 7, 2023 6:39:54 GMT
It is due to weak demand and investment by the UK.Hnome has ex0lained it. The EU continues to grow. The UK needs the EU far more than the UK needs the EU. Just the rate of growth says so.You were told but refused to listen.you voted fori it. Now live with it and stop complaining. What does it say to you? - to me it says we are pretty average. We are discussing recent growth. Not over 7 years, five of which were when the UK was still trading as part of the EU in transition. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 7, 2023 6:43:25 GMT
However, when it is called for, we must drive home the point that overturning an undemocratic referendum by way of another referendum is, per se, a democratic process. It wasnt an undemocratic referendum , and overturning it isnt democracy , and as everyone outside of cloud cuckoo land saw in 2019 , the public clearly didnt support overturning it. end of story.
The public was never given a chance. Once again they were lied to. More importantly, if they were given a chznce today, the UK would be reapplying for membership. Except the chances of that being approved by the EU are very slim. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 7, 2023 6:47:19 GMT
Is this why you stopped arguing for Scottish Independence after the Indy Ref? The way you just quietly accepted the result of the vote should be an example to us all. again no comparison. The result of the 2014 indy ref was immediately implemented. The winners got the prize. Meanwhile in the uk , the result of the 2016 brexit ref was not only delayed , but anti democratic remianers in parliament , cheered on by many remainers outside of parliament , attempted to anti demcoratically overturn the result as we know , leading to public anger and johnsons 2019 landslide to get brexit done.
In democracy , you hold a vote , then the result is implemented , and dissenting voices then have the chance to argue about it again. We cant keep holding votes if anglo remainers are going to throw their toys out of the pram everytime they lose and try and overturn democracy can we?
I support your argument against brexit , just not your tantrums against democracy.
Thomas. The results of a referendum are NON BINDING. Those who foresaw all the current problemschave the DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to express opposition to the illegally manipulated result. |
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