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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 18:42:34 GMT
I was ready to brush this off as kind of "more of the same." Until I hit the part about Tim Martin demonstrating his severe, -- dangerous, even -- lack of understanding of what democracy means. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-has-brought-zero-benefit-to-uk-business-says-brewdog-boss/Brexit has brought “zero benefit” to UK business, says Brewdog boss
The CEO of brewery and pub chain Brewdog has poured a pint of the sourest beer possible all over Brexit. Watt went on the attack after identifying Brexit as one reason behind Brewdog’s latest financial figures, which show an operating loss of £24million. He said his company’s operations in EU countries had been hampered by red tape incurred by both the decision to leave and the subsequent implementation of that decision.
He said: “...I think it’s been tragic for UK business and a lot of the economic issues the UK is facing – more inflation than other places, being harder to do business, is a result of the catastrophic decision to leave the EU. It’s really crippled businesses in the UK.” Watt also claimed the government’s “sheer incompetence” had helped to create conditions in which the cost of producing a case of beer was almost 40% more expensive than it was 18 months ago. Watt’s view is diametrically opposed to that of Wetherspoons CEO Tim Martin, who told LBC last week that he had no regrets about backing Brexit with beermats and magazines in his pubs prior to the 2016 referendum. Martin told Andrew Marr he was still “amazed by the depth of emotion but I don’t think many people have changed their minds. “Have I regrets? No, I think, for humanity to survive, I think we need democracy… and my bons to pick with the EU is you don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.
“I think the most powerful elixir for economics and for personal freedoms is democracy. And when you start reducing it, the level of economic performance eventually declines.” Alas, as Watt might tell him, Brexit seems to have started a decline in economic performance that is anything but gradual… |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 29, 2023 18:50:29 GMT
Yawn Brexit was as much about culture as it was making money.
I recall that businessman taking on the CBI that wanted to stay in Europe and he said you hardly employ anyone, it was just that big business wanted it be headquartered here and make profits in the EU.
What has damaged the UK is COV-ID enforced lock-downs and Ukraine war caused inflation yet of course that will not stop your postings of an ideological nature.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 29, 2023 19:35:22 GMT
Another extremist thread of hate.
Meanwhile, the pound which had been overvalued, damaging exports, isn't overvalued anymore and exports are up, with everyone.
So the premise of the thread is bollocks.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 29, 2023 21:26:40 GMT
I was ready to brush this off as kind of "more of the same." Until I hit the part about Tim Martin demonstrating his severe, -- dangerous, even -- lack of understanding of what democracy means. And yet nothing Mr Martin said was wrong... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 30, 2023 1:12:34 GMT
gnome, are you on Ursula's payroll? Serious question.
You never post anything other than pro EU bullshit, you're like a robot, you have no other interests, your only reason for being is to promote the EU.
If you're not a troll, someone tell me, what is?
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 30, 2023 7:35:52 GMT
The problem, gnome, is that while we're technically out of the EU the govt, apart from leaving the CAP, has done nothing to take advantage of our new freedoms. No old EU laws/regulations have been withdrawn at all. And the reason for that is that there are a lot of arseholes like you - in Parliament and the Lords - who are determined to sabotage this country.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 30, 2023 9:18:26 GMT
The good thing is, with the pound no longer being overvalued, exports to the EU are up from £223.3 billion in 2015 to £340bn now.
Well above inflation.
So businesses are benefiting and the premise of this thread is bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 10:02:34 GMT
The problem, gnome, is that while we're technically out of the EU the govt, apart from leaving the CAP, has done nothing to take advantage of our new freedoms. No old EU laws/regulations have been withdrawn at all. And the reason for that is that there are a lot of arseholes like you - in Parliament and the Lords - who are determined to sabotage this country.  ^ No, no. The problem is (a) Brexit itself and (b) the cultish mentality of Brexit fundamentalists. (a) Brexit itself is all talk, no walk. It panders to Brexiteer desire to cut the cord with the EU at all costs but Brexit, in and of itself, can not offer anything that caters to the demands of the economic and social well being of the UK. Does Brexit allow friction-less trading, for example? No. Is there anything in Brexit that helps increase our GDP? No. (b) Brexit fundamentalists are the ones sabotaging the country by putting Brexit above all else. Haven't you learned anything from Johnson and Truss? Fundamentalists are so cultish, they go berserk even at the smallest hint of compromise. Baby with the bath water mentality. Everything in the name of Brexit. And dangerously, they have no sense of self-awareness or of knowing their and the UK's place in the scheme of things. They really think that in this day and age of globalisation, when the empire is long gone, when Commonwealth countries have grown up and left home; when even Australians have slowly accepted they have to trade with Asia; when Americans snigger at the mention of "special relationship", the United Kingdom can afford to be intransigent and uncompromising. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 10:09:45 GMT
I was ready to brush this off as kind of "more of the same." Until I hit the part about Tim Martin demonstrating his severe, -- dangerous, even -- lack of understanding of what democracy means. And yet nothing Mr Martin said was wrong... He just stated his feelings about a few facts about the EU -- how can be wrong? Or right, even. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 10:13:32 GMT
The good thing is, with the pound no longer being overvalued, exports to the EU are up from £223.3 billion in 2015 to £340bn now. Well above inflation. So businesses are benefiting and the premise of this thread is bollocks.
UK Trade Deficit With EU Hits Record as Brexit Curtails Exports
Exports to EU slump after customs check pop up at the border
UK is unique among major economies in adding to trade friction
The UK’s trade deficit with the European Union widened to a record in the final quarter of 2022 as imports from the bloc jumped.
The shortfall in the balance of trade in goods ballooned to £32.9 billion ($39.9 billion) in the three months to December, according to official data, the largest gap since records began in 1997.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-10/uk-trade-deficit-with-eu-hits-record-as-brexit-curtails-exports#xj4y7vzkg
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 10:17:32 GMT
The good thing is, with the pound no longer being overvalued, exports to the EU are up from £223.3 billion in 2015 to £340bn now. Well above inflation. So businesses are benefiting and the premise of this thread is bollocks. I'm no economist, but if the pound has fallen, doesn't that mean that imports are more expensive? The UK imports 30% of its food from the EU. Doesn't that mean that Brexit has contributed to food price inflation? What are your thoughts, Iggy? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 30, 2023 10:24:46 GMT
The problem, gnome, is that while we're technically out of the EU the govt, apart from leaving the CAP, has done nothing to take advantage of our new freedoms. No old EU laws/regulations have been withdrawn at all. And the reason for that is that there are a lot of arseholes like you - in Parliament and the Lords - who are determined to sabotage this country. ^ No, no. The problem is (a) Brexit itself and (b) the cultish mentality of Brexit fundamentalists. (a) Brexit itself is all talk, no walk. It panders to Brexiteer desire to cut the cord with the EU at all costs but Brexit, in and of itself, can not offer anything that caters to the demands of the economic and social well being of the UK. Does Brexit allow friction-less trading, for example? No. Is there anything in Brexit that helps increase our GDP? No. (b) Brexit fundamentalists are the ones sabotaging the country by putting Brexit above all else. Haven't you learned anything from Johnson and Truss? Fundamentalists are so cultish, they go berserk even at the smallest hint of compromise. Baby with the bath water mentality. Everything in the name of Brexit. And dangerously, they have no sense of self-awareness or of knowing their and the UK's place in the scheme of things. They really think that in this day and age of globalisation, when the empire is long gone, when Commonwealth countries have grown up and left home; when even Australians have slowly accepted they have to trade with Asia; when Americans snigger at the mention of "special relationship", the United Kingdom can afford to be intransigent and uncompromising. I noticed your swerve from this valid point: Though, I understand someone who has only ever grown up believing in the deity of EU would consider it the pinnacle of human civilisation. But then, this comes from a poster who believes in Briton's getting low pay, and a UK subservient to EU regulatory imperialism. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 30, 2023 10:33:53 GMT
The good thing is, with the pound no longer being overvalued, exports to the EU are up from £223.3 billion in 2015 to £340bn now. Well above inflation. So businesses are benefiting and the premise of this thread is bollocks. I'm no economist, but if the pound has fallen, doesn't that mean that imports are more expensive? The UK imports 30% of its food from the EU. Doesn't that mean that Brexit has contributed to food price inflation? What are your thoughts, Iggy? Good question. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2023 10:53:34 GMT
And yet nothing Mr Martin said was wrong... He just stated his feelings about a few facts about the EU -- how can be wrong? Or right, even. What are you talking about? These are facts: 'don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 30, 2023 10:59:16 GMT
He just stated his feelings about a few facts about the EU -- how can be wrong? Or right, even. What are you talking about? These are facts: 'don’t elect the president by universal suffrage and MEPs can’t initiate legislation and the ECJ, the court, isn’t accountable to Parliament.' That's because the treaties don't permit it, Doc. How many times have the elected heads of the member states sought to change the treaties to allow those things? They have the power to do that in the Council. How many citizen petitions have there been to change those things? There is a citizens'' right to petition for change. So, if nobody wants those changes, why are you moaning? |
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