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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 12:39:35 GMT
OK, that takes care of basket case Spaniards, according to your theory. Now, what about the Danes, the Swedes and the Germans? They are net contributors to the EU -- why do you think majority of them would choose to remain in the EU? And why do you think the vast majority of basket case Wales and Cornwall didn't vote to remain? I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
I'm sorry but you were quite clear and confident in your suggestion that only basket case economies would vote to remain in the EU. You must have something more than "I don't know and I don't care" about why a non-basket case country such as Denmark or Germany would vote to remain in the EU -- surely? When you say that 87% of Spaniards would, of course, vote to remain because theirs is a basket case economy; the logical challenge is why it is then basket cases Wales and Cornwall did not vote to remain. You can't disregard regional disparities because the point you're making is about why people choose to remain in the EU -- where these people come from is immaterial to that point. Re BIB: Same thing with Boris Johnson and his Brexit defenders, isn't it? They took and actually argued that his general election victory was as much a validation of the leave vote as a mandate to impose upon their own vision and version of Brexit. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 14:52:28 GMT
Yes you are being a bit slow as you didn't notice the post was addressed to Johnofgwent and not you. That it was addressed specifically to something Johnofgwent said in his post. So with your permission I will await Johnofgwents reply. im well aware of who your post was posted to. That doesnt preclude me from asking questions about it on the open forum boards.
if you would be so kind and explain your attempt to correlate what john of gwent posted and what you posted kind sir regarding the 2019 GE brexit mandate. For us thick folk up the back , we cant see the link m`lord.
No I wouldn't. I evoke my freedom not to talk to people who are arseholes. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 25, 2023 17:08:00 GMT
I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? I'd say an 80 seat majority to 'get Brexit done' was a pretty good mandate..  |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 17:14:58 GMT
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? I'd say an 80 seat majority to 'get Brexit done' was a pretty good mandate.. Yes I know you do, we've had this conversation. The one where I point out the alternative was waste your vote on the Lib Dems and risk Corbyn getting in. Or Vote for Corbyn and suffer the consequences. Where I point out that general elections are about many different things not just one. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 25, 2023 17:29:51 GMT
I'd say an 80 seat majority to 'get Brexit done' was a pretty good mandate.. Yes I know you do, we've had this conversation. The one where I point out the alternative was waste your vote on the Lib Dems and risk Corbyn getting in. Or Vote for Corbyn and suffer the consequences. Where I point out that general elections are about many different things not just one. Brexit was the No 1 reason people gave for voting for the Tories - the No 1 reason that people gave for voting LibDem was to stop Brexit. It's pretty clear that Brexit was the deciding issue. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 25, 2023 18:17:51 GMT
I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? There's no democratic mandate for going back into the fascist Commission run EU. But, on the plus side, we're selling more to the EU, than we were prior to our referendum to get out. So why would you want to go back anyway? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 18:28:46 GMT
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? There's no democratic mandate for going back into the fascist Commission run EU. But, on the plus side, we're selling more to the EU, than we were prior to our referendum to get out. So why would you want to go back anyway? Its a good point, my only real reason was ease of trade. I must find time to look into it properly before I commit, so often these things turn out to be "since covid" or some such. But I'm not dismissing it. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 25, 2023 19:10:21 GMT
I would be hard pushed to support this Conservative government, they are awful. I voted Labour in 1997, 2001, 2005. I didn't vote in 2010.
I voted Libdem in 2015. I voted Tory in 2017 and 1019.
There make what you want of that.
I wasn't accusing you of stopping honest debate. I was saying you opened the flood gates was the usual parties to return to their trenches and hurl abuse.
Though I'll admit I haven't had much success in my bid to get honest answers from them.
There's no need to swear. The honest debate I wanted was peoples opinions and facts to back them up. I don't mind that they differ from mine as I like to prove my points if I can.
What I want to avoid is giving them the excuse to rally together and fall back to the name calling and personal abuse.
I have no opinion to offer on Scotland.
No Zany, how about telling the truth. You voted and supported Boris because you were terrified the pandemic would take your company under and the Tory party saved you from that embarrassment whilst the Labour Party had no sensible plans to save anything but their own scraggy necks. Now ain't dat de trufe? Now for the shortish period I'm on here tonight, do you think it's time you stopped trying to moderate; you are one of the worst for making snide comments. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 19:28:42 GMT
No Zany, how about telling the truth. You voted and supported Boris because you were terrified the pandemic would take your company under and the Tory party saved you from that embarrassment whilst the Labour Party had no sensible plans to save anything but their own scraggy necks. Now ain't dat de trufe? Now for the shortish period I'm on here tonight, do you think it's time you stopped trying to moderate; you are one of the worst for making snide comments. I don't think its possible to be more wrong. No one me especially expected the Tories to do furlough and help SME's. Secondly, my company is backed by a very very rich and famous man so, well No. Thirdly in November 2019, we had no idea Covid would shut us for 16 months. As for me being snide, tis the way of things on here, its what you all wanted, why are you complaining. And as for moderating I just report, I don't make the decisions. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 25, 2023 22:48:01 GMT
"Ease of trade" always worked against us when we were members, because our currency had been overvalued, and imports were cheaper than local production or exports.
So membership, never worked as intended, we paid £9bn a year to run down our country and have high unemployment.
I really don't want us to go back to that situation.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 25, 2023 23:26:59 GMT
"Ease of trade" always worked against us when we were members, because our currency had been overvalued, and imports were cheaper than local production or exports. So membership, never worked as intended, we paid £9bn a year to run down our country and have high unemployment. I really don't want us to go back to that situation. LOL! You moaned for years about the 'protectionist' EU, now you're whining that the UK wasn't protected against cheap imports. How do you think local industry is going to cope with imports resulting from deals struck with countries where the average wage is $6 a day? |
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Post by thomas on Jun 26, 2023 6:53:11 GMT
im well aware of who your post was posted to. That doesnt preclude me from asking questions about it on the open forum boards.
if you would be so kind and explain your attempt to correlate what john of gwent posted and what you posted kind sir regarding the 2019 GE brexit mandate. For us thick folk up the back , we cant see the link m`lord.
No I wouldn't. I evoke my freedom not to talk to people who are arseholes. ok. As ever i accept your surrender .
You make idiotic comments about another posters post , cant back up what you mean when politely asked , then descend in ad hominem when put on the spot , despite hypocritically earlier calling for polite honest debate. 
If you spent less time looking down your nose at other forum members and more time actually practising what you preach about honesty and politeness then perhaps you wouldnt have so much to whine about when called out.
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Post by thomas on Jun 26, 2023 7:01:13 GMT
I'd say an 80 seat majority to 'get Brexit done' was a pretty good mandate.. Yes I know you do, we've had this conversation. The one where I point out the alternative was waste your vote on the Lib Dems and risk Corbyn getting in. Or Vote for Corbyn and suffer the consequences. Where I point out that general elections are about many different things not just one. posts like this and earlier ones are generally why you seem to be treated as a figure of fucking ridicule on this forum.
Im not a tory voter. Never once voted them in my life. I voted remain in 2016. Even i would say the 2019 general election was mainly about getting brexit done , and no one can deny the public endorsed johnson and his party to do so with an emphatic landslide.
This is the achillies heel of many anglo remainers. This inability to accept fact , then move on .
I dont always agree with pacifico , but he is spot on . trying to deny what to me is an obvious mandate , not just the original referendum , but then the public backing two main parties in 2017 who promised to deliver brexit to them and failed , in part due to the anti democratic shenanigans of people like starmer , then the european elections where clowns like the bbc tried to push the narrative remainers had won , to the emphatic landslide in 2019 shows numerous mandates of support for brexit .
Accept you lost numerous times , move on , then you can in turn say to brexiters they have lost and starmer has the right to take the uk back into the EU if he wins.
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Post by thomas on Jun 26, 2023 7:09:32 GMT
Yes I know you do, we've had this conversation. The one where I point out the alternative was waste your vote on the Lib Dems and risk Corbyn getting in. Or Vote for Corbyn and suffer the consequences. Where I point out that general elections are about many different things not just one. Brexit was the No 1 reason people gave for voting for the Tories - the No 1 reason that people gave for voting LibDem was to stop Brexit. It's pretty clear that Brexit was the deciding issue. spot on . All the parties had a concrete position on brexit with the exception of the labour party , who had a dithering ambiguous policy which was the brainchild of keir starmer as we know. They tried and spectacularly failed to triangulate on one of the most important political issues of modern times , because 62 % of thier consitituenices especially in the red wall supported brexit while the party hierarchy especially the blairites like starmer were and remain extremely pro european.
With predictable results.
We saw starmer try the same nonsense in the hartlepool by election , putting an out and out remain labour candidate in a leave seat with again predictable results.
You can see why the labour party dont win many uk elections if this is the best their "devious" strategists ( no laughing please) can come up with. Whatever the public opinion is in scotland or england , labour are usually one step behind with their we know best attitude and then wonder why they dont gain support.
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Post by thomas on Jun 26, 2023 7:11:48 GMT
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? There's no democratic mandate for going back into the fascist Commission run EU. But, on the plus side, we're selling more to the EU, than we were prior to our referendum to get out. So why would you want to go back anyway? well there is. If the pro european labour party get voted into power , then they have the legal and democratic mandate to take the uk back in , tie the uk into eu rules and regulations , and basically do as they please.
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