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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 9:01:16 GMT
Bloody brilliant. Now everyone returns to their trenches and we have pages of drum beating. Goodbye honest debate. honest debate?
The least honest party in terms of the whole brexit shambles since day one has been the labour party mate. You didnt want the people having a say by referendum in the first place, where even the lib dems mocked your party and told milliband to grow a pair .
You unsuccessfully tried to thwart brexit in parliament , with starmers BRINO shambolic dishonesty , which even now he clings to , and now are being even more dishonest in telling folk "you are going to make brexit work".
Honest debate? Dont make me fucking laugh. Keir starmer and labour are clowns of the highest order without a shred of honesty and integrity between them , and when they fall into power and take the uk back into the EU behind the brussells bike sheds , they are going to set the uk alight and turn it into an even bigger binfire.
I might be winding the dim wits like buckfast and one or two others up , thats a given , but as they say , im more honest in my wind ups than the clowns at labour hq are being with the uk public.
Listen mate. I'm not the Labour party. I'm not even a labour party voter, I'm a floating voter. I voted New Labour, but not since 2010. I will probably vote Labour next time. The honest debate I am talking about is on here, as far as I know Sir Kier doesn't trouble us. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 9:08:16 GMT
honest debate?
The least honest party in terms of the whole brexit shambles since day one has been the labour party mate. You didnt want the people having a say by referendum in the first place, where even the lib dems mocked your party and told milliband to grow a pair .
You unsuccessfully tried to thwart brexit in parliament , with starmers BRINO shambolic dishonesty , which even now he clings to , and now are being even more dishonest in telling folk "you are going to make brexit work".
Honest debate? Dont make me fucking laugh. Keir starmer and labour are clowns of the highest order without a shred of honesty and integrity between them , and when they fall into power and take the uk back into the EU behind the brussells bike sheds , they are going to set the uk alight and turn it into an even bigger binfire.
I might be winding the dim wits like buckfast and one or two others up , thats a given , but as they say , im more honest in my wind ups than the clowns at labour hq are being with the uk public.
Listen mate. I'm not the Labour party. I'm not even a labour party voter, I'm a floating voter. I voted New Labour, but not since 2010. I will probably vote Labour next time. The honest debate I am talking about is on here, as far as I know Sir Kier doesn't trouble us. im judging you by your posts on here where you have often supported new labours political vision. You tell me off for lack of honest debate in one post , then the next tell me you are going to vote for a party in the next general election that champions dishonest debate.
i know what you are fucking talking about. The debate on here is about politics , of which dishonest new labour are a part. You cant seperate one from the other.
he will do when he is in power. He indriectly troubles many of us at the moment out of power , directing his party minions into coalition with the tories in scotland , or the areas of england suffering under his mps and councils.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 25, 2023 9:11:25 GMT
And just how the feck would you know that gnome, as you have constantly been repeating their propaganda every single day? Kneejerk reaction to a post. ^ Here's one I edited out -- something that you can argue as pro-EU propaganda: "Elsewhere in the EU, 87% of respondents in Spain said last month they would choose to remain, along with 79% in Denmark, 70% in Sweden and 69% in Germany."of course 87% of spaniards want to stay in the system. Outside of it and the conveyor belt of cash that basket case state has enjoyed for fifty years the whole place would become a hybrid between the black hole of calcutta and the victorian era hell that was limehouse wharf in london |
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 9:18:36 GMT
Kneejerk reaction to a post. ^ Here's one I edited out -- something that you can argue as pro-EU propaganda: "Elsewhere in the EU, 87% of respondents in Spain said last month they would choose to remain, along with 79% in Denmark, 70% in Sweden and 69% in Germany."of course 87% of spaniards want to stay in the system. Outside of it and the conveyor belt of cash that basket case state has enjoyed for fifty years the whole place would become a hybrid between the black hole of calcutta and the victorian era hell that was limehouse wharf in london That argument may be true , but as we know doesnt always make sense. Wales was one of the biggest beneficiaries of eu cash , yet the anglo saxon incomers in wales voted to take wales out of the eu along with the mother country england .
The welsh valleys , in the disunited kingdom , are among the poorest parts of europe , poorer than bulgaria romania and many other areas. Meanwhile across the sea , independent ireland is thriving by comparison.
No wonder welsh independence support is growing.
Looks like wales needs conveyor belts of eu cash.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 10:05:03 GMT
Kneejerk reaction to a post. ^ Here's one I edited out -- something that you can argue as pro-EU propaganda: "Elsewhere in the EU, 87% of respondents in Spain said last month they would choose to remain, along with 79% in Denmark, 70% in Sweden and 69% in Germany."of course 87% of spaniards want to stay in the system. Outside of it and the conveyor belt of cash that basket case state has enjoyed for fifty years the whole place would become a hybrid between the black hole of calcutta and the victorian era hell that was limehouse wharf in london OK, that takes care of basket case Spaniards, according to your theory. Now, what about the Danes, the Swedes and the Germans? They are net contributors to the EU -- why do you think majority of them would choose to remain in the EU? And why do you think the vast majority of basket case Wales and Cornwall didn't vote to remain? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 10:16:07 GMT
Listen mate. I'm not the Labour party. I'm not even a labour party voter, I'm a floating voter. I voted New Labour, but not since 2010. I will probably vote Labour next time. The honest debate I am talking about is on here, as far as I know Sir Kier doesn't trouble us.
I would be hard pushed to support this Conservative government, they are awful. I voted Labour in 1997, 2001, 2005. I didn't vote in 2010.
I voted Libdem in 2015. I voted Tory in 2017 and 1019.
There make what you want of that.
I wasn't accusing you of stopping honest debate. I was saying you opened the flood gates was the usual parties to return to their trenches and hurl abuse.
Though I'll admit I haven't had much success in my bid to get honest answers from them.
There's no need to swear. The honest debate I wanted was peoples opinions and facts to back them up. I don't mind that they differ from mine as I like to prove my points if I can.
What I want to avoid is giving them the excuse to rally together and fall back to the name calling and personal abuse.
I have no opinion to offer on Scotland.
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 10:27:08 GMT
I would be hard pushed to support this Conservative government, they are awful. I voted Labour in 1997, 2001, 2005. I didn't vote in 2010.
I voted Libdem in 2015. I voted Tory in 2017 and 1019.
There make what you want of that.
I wasn't accusing you of stopping honest debate. I was saying you opened the flood gates was the usual parties to return to their trenches and hurl abuse.
Though I'll admit I haven't had much success in my bid to get honest answers from them.
There's no need to swear. The honest debate I wanted was peoples opinions and facts to back them up. I don't mind that they differ from mine as I like to prove my points if I can.
What I want to avoid is giving them the excuse to rally together and fall back to the name calling and personal abuse.
I have no opinion to offer on Scotland.
your post is nothing more than another diversion.
You cant lecture someone one minute about honest debate while publicly backing a party and its leader that champion dishonest debate. That was my one and only point to you. Its also a quite feasable political postion to be virulently against this current uk conservative government , but also to be complete against a potential labour party incoming government.
I think you are showing your age , and inability to think outside the two party system box here.
If there is a more dishonest uk political party on the subject of brexit than uk labour then ive yet to see them.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 25, 2023 11:32:27 GMT
of course 87% of spaniards want to stay in the system. Outside of it and the conveyor belt of cash that basket case state has enjoyed for fifty years the whole place would become a hybrid between the black hole of calcutta and the victorian era hell that was limehouse wharf in london OK, that takes care of basket case Spaniards, according to your theory. Now, what about the Danes, the Swedes and the Germans? They are net contributors to the EU -- why do you think majority of them would choose to remain in the EU? And why do you think the vast majority of basket case Wales and Cornwall didn't vote to remain? I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 11:49:30 GMT
your post is nothing more than another diversion.
You cant lecture someone one minute about honest debate while publicly backing a party and its leader that champion dishonest debate. That was my one and only point to you. Its also a quite feasable political postion to be virulently against this current uk conservative government , but also to be complete against a potential labour party incoming government.
I think you are showing your age , and inability to think outside the two party system box here.
If there is a more dishonest uk political party on the subject of brexit than uk labour then ive yet to see them.
Whatever. I've explained my intention. If you want to take it differently there's nothing I can do about it. I'll move back to discussing the topic. Oh and if you look you'll se I've voted for 3 parties. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 11:50:59 GMT
OK, that takes care of basket case Spaniards, according to your theory. Now, what about the Danes, the Swedes and the Germans? They are net contributors to the EU -- why do you think majority of them would choose to remain in the EU? And why do you think the vast majority of basket case Wales and Cornwall didn't vote to remain? I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
the uk doesnt have regions john. It has constituent nations , who in turn have regions. All 32 council areas of scotland , which is three fifths the size of england in landmass , voted remain for example.
You are punting yet more lies and half truths on the uk and devolution. A scottish parliament has been the aim of modern scottish politics since the national covenant in scotland in the 1940`s and fifties. There was already a referendum on it nearly twenty years prior to blairs coming to power.
It was a yes vote , but was rigged against yes on the despicable anti democratic 40 % rule. John major , of course , had he won in 1997 , would have still had to have dealt with the council of europes edict on devolution , which blair in his own memoirs called a damn nuisance.
In your own country of wales , you are in a political minority at every turn , you you talk on here of dismissing how people vote when it suits.
You lost the 1997 welsh devolution referendum , however marginally , and still bleat about it to this day. Not to mention personally failing to become elected as a bnp candidate. So an extreme minoritist such as you telling others you dismiss how they voted because you marginally won a referendum on brexit for once in your life 7 years ago is laughable.
You cant get any more out of touch or politically extremist minority a view than those you hold.
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 11:51:49 GMT
your post is nothing more than another diversion.
You cant lecture someone one minute about honest debate while publicly backing a party and its leader that champion dishonest debate. That was my one and only point to you. Its also a quite feasable political postion to be virulently against this current uk conservative government , but also to be complete against a potential labour party incoming government.
I think you are showing your age , and inability to think outside the two party system box here.
If there is a more dishonest uk political party on the subject of brexit than uk labour then ive yet to see them.
Whatever. I've explained my intention. If you want to take it differently there's nothing I can do about it. I'll move back to discussing the topic. Oh and if you look you'll se I've voted for 3 parties. dont lecture others about honest debate then. Talk about fucking pot and kettle. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 11:52:25 GMT
OK, that takes care of basket case Spaniards, according to your theory. Now, what about the Danes, the Swedes and the Germans? They are net contributors to the EU -- why do you think majority of them would choose to remain in the EU? And why do you think the vast majority of basket case Wales and Cornwall didn't vote to remain? I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? |
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 12:05:09 GMT
I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? perhaps im being a bit slow here , for one so high and mighty in his impeccable nuance , but i have no idea where you get the 2019 general election result not being a mandate to enact brexit?
I voted remain in 2016 , would do so again , and even i wouldnt argue against the 2019 being a mandate to enact brexit.
You talk about honest deabte. Its this sort of puerile nonsensical rubbish that plagues uk politics , debate , and of course has been the achillies heel of anglo remainers since prior to the 2016 vote.
Denying reality or trying to make some spurious point is never a good look. I dont agree with john of gwent on most issues , but i cant see where you can conflate what he said in his post and what you are impyling in yours.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 12:19:43 GMT
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? perhaps im being a bit slow here , for one so high and mighty in his impeccable nuance , but i have no idea where you get the 2019 general election result not being a mandate to enact brexit?
I voted remain in 2016 , would do so again , and even i wouldnt argue against the 2019 being a mandate to enact brexit.
You talk about honest deabte. Its this sort of puerile nonsensical rubbish that plagues uk politics , debate , and of course has been the achillies heel of anglo remainers since prior to the 2016 vote.
Denying reality or trying to make some spurious point is never a good look. I dont agree with john of gwent on most issues , but i cant see where you can conflate what he said in his post and what you are impyling in yours.
Yes you are being a bit slow as you didn't notice the post was addressed to Johnofgwent and not you. That it was addressed specifically to something Johnofgwent said in his post. So with your permission I will await Johnofgwents reply. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 12:22:33 GMT
perhaps im being a bit slow here , for one so high and mighty in his impeccable nuance , but i have no idea where you get the 2019 general election result not being a mandate to enact brexit?
I voted remain in 2016 , would do so again , and even i wouldnt argue against the 2019 being a mandate to enact brexit.
You talk about honest deabte. Its this sort of puerile nonsensical rubbish that plagues uk politics , debate , and of course has been the achillies heel of anglo remainers since prior to the 2016 vote.
Denying reality or trying to make some spurious point is never a good look. I dont agree with john of gwent on most issues , but i cant see where you can conflate what he said in his post and what you are impyling in yours.
Yes you are being a bit slow as you didn't notice the post was addressed to Johnofgwent and not you. That it was addressed specifically to something Johnofgwent said in his post. So with your permission I will await Johnofgwents reply. im well aware of who your post was posted to. That doesnt preclude me from asking questions about it on the open forum boards.
if you would be so kind and explain your attempt to correlate what john of gwent posted and what you posted kind sir regarding the 2019 GE brexit mandate. For us thick folk up the back , we cant see the link m`lord.
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