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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 22:09:22 GMT
Rubbish. No one leaving the 'club' believed that meant all contact would end. What no one knew was what that future contact would be. all contact didn't end. Yes... |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 22:13:28 GMT
And they trust the EU more than their own government. How much higher do the polls have to climb before the Brexiters have to admit they no longer represent democracy. On the first point, if that is the case Europhiles can always Foxtrot Oscar to the continent and become a citizen of another country if they trust the EU more. Polls and remainers don't mix too well as we saw in the run-up to the referendum and are clearly not reliable. Therefore, Brexiteers still represent democracy by the virtue of a democratic vote that took place in 2016. Why should we have to leave our country just because we want something different to you. 58% Now, how much higher does it have to get? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 23, 2023 22:17:56 GMT
On the first point, if that is the case Europhiles can always Foxtrot Oscar to the continent and become a citizen of another country if they trust the EU more. Polls and remainers don't mix too well as we saw in the run-up to the referendum and are clearly not reliable. Therefore, Brexiteers still represent democracy by the virtue of a democratic vote that took place in 2016. Why should we have to leave our country just because we want something different to you. 58% Now, how much higher does it have to get? Why should we have to put trust in foreigners co-governing us because you don't? A poll is not a democratic vote. Brexiteers still represent democracy. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 22:38:45 GMT
Why should we have to leave our country just because we want something different to you. 58% Now, how much higher does it have to get? Why should we have to put trust in foreigners co-governing us because you don't? A poll is not a democratic vote. Brexiteers still represent democracy. A poll is an indication of what the public want. How much higher do the pols have to get before you admit the country has changed its mind? 60% 70%? If you were confident you'd encourage another referendum, but you know what the likely result is, so you claim the polls have no value. As I say 1 vote democracy, got what you wanted, ban any future votes. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 23, 2023 22:43:16 GMT
Why should we have to put trust in foreigners co-governing us because you don't? A poll is not a democratic vote. Brexiteers still represent democracy. A poll is an indication of what the public want. How much higher do the pols have to get before you admit the country has changed its mind? 60% 70%? If you were confident you'd encourage another referendum, but you know what the likely result is, so you claim the polls have no value. As I say 1 vote democracy, got what you wanted, ban any future votes. Except it is same old argument which we went over at least a hundred times before the referendum, the polls were never a reflection of voting intentions and were purposely skewed. Nothing has changed. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 23, 2023 23:12:22 GMT
Why should we have to put trust in foreigners co-governing us because you don't? A poll is not a democratic vote. Brexiteers still represent democracy. A poll is an indication of what the public want. How much higher do the pols have to get before you admit the country has changed its mind? 60% 70%? If you were confident you'd encourage another referendum, but you know what the likely result is, so you claim the polls have no value. As I say 1 vote democracy, got what you wanted, ban any future votes. So, if you don't like the result and don't trust British governments and trust EU ones more, apply to live there. Why should the rest of us allow our nation to be co-governed by foreigners because you don't trust British politicians? It is rather an odd concept, I didn't see US citizens demanding the Prime Minister of Canada co-govern them because they didn't trust Trump. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 23, 2023 23:59:29 GMT
£340bn exports to the EU, £168bn exports to the USA. Compare to our exports before the referendum. Yes, there's no reason to complain. It worked. Would you care to compare? According to Statista our balance of trade with the Eu has grown from minus £8bn to minus £12bn. Is that good in your books? Check the ONS figures instead of spurious websites. £223 billion in 2015, £340 billion in 2022. Use an inflation calculator and compare pre referendum trade with post referendum trade and stop crying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 0:10:39 GMT
Yes -- that's effectively what you're claiming. That ALL our imports are replacement goods to such extent that it is better make imports expensive -- to protect domestic products. That crazy idea shouldn't even occur to you if you want to be an economist. LOL stop being a muppet for once. You made an arse of yourself so move on.  The prolific chart mis-interpreter and wannabe economist gets found out again making ridiculous, erroneous claims and now wants people to move on from another one of his ridiculous, erroneous claims.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 24, 2023 0:23:58 GMT
A poll is an indication of what the public want. How much higher do the pols have to get before you admit the country has changed its mind? 60% 70%? If you were confident you'd encourage another referendum, but you know what the likely result is, so you claim the polls have no value. As I say 1 vote democracy, got what you wanted, ban any future votes. So, if you don't like the result and don't trust British governments and trust EU ones more, apply to live there. Why should the rest of us allow our nation to be co-governed by foreigners because you don't trust British politicians? It is rather an odd concept, I didn't see US citizens demanding the Prime Minister of Canada co-govern them because they didn't trust Trump. The only thing zany trusts is a snotty nosed little twat called bumburgh, |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 24, 2023 6:43:26 GMT
LOL stop being a muppet for once. You made an arse of yourself so move on. The prolific chart mis-interpreter and wannabe economist gets found out again making ridiculous, erroneous claims and now wants people to move on from another one of his ridiculous, erroneous claims. Word salad from poster who when got caught out now reduced to telling me what I think.. give it up now sunshine. I can recommend a couple of books on basic economics if you really want to learn something.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 24, 2023 6:44:50 GMT
Does it matter? - our total trade balance has improved, who we sell to is irrelevant. If you are selling widgets it doesnt make a blind bit of difference if you ship them out to Turin or Timbukto Are you saying our exports have increased? yes |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 24, 2023 7:26:31 GMT
A poll is an indication of what the public want. How much higher do the pols have to get before you admit the country has changed its mind? 60% 70%? If you were confident you'd encourage another referendum, but you know what the likely result is, so you claim the polls have no value. As I say 1 vote democracy, got what you wanted, ban any future votes. Except it is same old argument which we went over at least a hundred times before the referendum, the polls were never a reflection of voting intentions and were purposely skewed. Nothing has changed. You don't know that, you just made it up to ignore current polls. I repeat, how high do the polls have to get before you believe they are worse considering? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 24, 2023 7:27:34 GMT
Are you saying our exports have increased? yes OK. I haven't looked for a while. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 24, 2023 7:28:24 GMT
Except it is same old argument which we went over at least a hundred times before the referendum, the polls were never a reflection of voting intentions and were purposely skewed. Nothing has changed. You don't know that, you just made it up to ignore current polls. I repeat, how high do the polls have to get before you believe they are worse considering? I do know that, because it has been proven time after time. While you rely on purely hope that they might be right this time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 7:44:09 GMT
The prolific chart mis-interpreter and wannabe economist gets found out again making ridiculous, erroneous claims and now wants people to move on from another one of his ridiculous, erroneous claims. Word salad from poster who when got caught out now reduced to telling me what I think.. give it up now sunlight. I can recommend a couple of books on basic economics if you really want to learn something.. You may quit pretending now. You've been found out. You misinterpret everything -- from Krugman to charts to democracy to imports to currency valuation to other posters' comments to your own comments. I have to tell you what you think. Sort it out for you. Otherwise, you'd be tossed salad. |
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