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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2023 9:15:47 GMT
Like I said, we were always being undercut when we were members.
Before we joined the EEC we were a major exporter.
Shortly after, we became a major importer.
Our country declined and stagnated.
Membership of the EEC and the EU was a failed experiment.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 26, 2023 9:21:30 GMT
Like I said, we were always being undercut when we were members. Before we joined the EEC we were a major exporter. Shortly after, we became a major importer. Our country declined and stagnated. Membership of the EEC and the EU was a failed experiment. Brexiters: Blair inundated the UK with immigrants who did the jobs Brits don’t want to do. Remainer: What’s your plan? Brexiter: We’re going to export all the jobs Brits actually want to do to low wage countries. Global Britain!!! Remainer: Thought it might be something like that. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 26, 2023 10:20:27 GMT
of course 87% of spaniards want to stay in the system. Outside of it and the conveyor belt of cash that basket case state has enjoyed for fifty years the whole place would become a hybrid between the black hole of calcutta and the victorian era hell that was limehouse wharf in london That argument may be true , but as we know doesnt always make sense. Wales was one of the biggest beneficiaries of eu cash , yet the anglo saxon incomers in wales voted to take wales out of the eu along with the mother country england .
The welsh valleys , in the disunited kingdom , are among the poorest parts of europe , poorer than bulgaria romania and many other areas. Meanwhile across the sea , independent ireland is thriving by comparison.
No wonder welsh independence support is growing.
Looks like wales needs conveyor belts of eu cash.
Contrary to popular belief no-one was actually a beneficiary of EU cash
For a start it was not EU Cash. It was UK cash taken from us and graciously handed back
But only if (a) every pound handed back was matched by a further pound put in by the UK treasury and only then if we put up billboards that lied that the money all came from the EU
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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2023 10:24:13 GMT
That argument may be true , but as we know doesnt always make sense. Wales was one of the biggest beneficiaries of eu cash , yet the anglo saxon incomers in wales voted to take wales out of the eu along with the mother country england .
The welsh valleys , in the disunited kingdom , are among the poorest parts of europe , poorer than bulgaria romania and many other areas. Meanwhile across the sea , independent ireland is thriving by comparison.
No wonder welsh independence support is growing.
Looks like wales needs conveyor belts of eu cash.
Contrary to popular belief no-one was actually a beneficiary of EU cash
For a start it was not EU Cash. It was UK cash taken from us and graciously handed back
But only if (a) every pound handed back was matched by a further pound put in by the UK treasury and only then if we put up billboards that lied that the money all came from the EU
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 26, 2023 10:32:29 GMT
Like I said, we were always being undercut when we were members. Before we joined the EEC we were a major exporter. Shortly after, we became a major importer. Our country declined and stagnated. Membership of the EEC and the EU was a failed experiment. Brexiters: Blair inundated the UK with immigrants who did the jobs Brits don’t want to do. Remainer: What’s your plan? Brexiter: We’re going to export all the jobs Brits actually want to do to low wage countries. Global Britain!!! Remainer: Thought it might be something like that. Remainer: Mummy and Daddy need a Nanny and a Cleaner but not a British one because they want a decent living wage. Brexiter: What's your plan? Remainer: Open the floodgates to non-convergent economies and pay Vladimir and Misha a shit wage - UK taxpayers can subsidise the rest. Plus Daddy can pay a load of Ivan's a pittance to load his ivory warehouse. Brexiter: So fuck the Brits then as long as your comfortable. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 26, 2023 10:34:54 GMT
So you'd agree the 2019 election was not a mandate to continue Brexit? I'd say an 80 seat majority to 'get Brexit done' was a pretty good mandate..  I can't find zany's post quoting mine so if I'll jump in after pacifico As I am sure those who choose to remember the facts will be forced to admit, the LABOUR party went into the 2017 election which Theresa May should never have called on the manifesto that it was important to respect the result of the referendum. Now it is also absolutely vital to make clear that the 2017 general election had a huge variety of candidates from all sorts of parties who represented almost every possible viewpoint from "erect barbed wire and machine gun posts and shoot the invading foreigners" to "dissolve the monarchy burn the referendum and make Verhofstadt the new president of the European Superstate"
And in amongst that chaos there was Labour's entire welsh election offering every one of them refusing to have jeremy corbyn's photograph in their manifesto and choosing instead to appear with the welsh first fuckwit and every one of them making the same promise to "respect the result of the referendum"
And as soon as they got their arses on the green leather they set about doing the exact opposite, conspiring with the speaker to destroy the referendum and the party who took it upon itself to implement it and stonewall and divert and delay it at every possible opportunity, making the most of Clegg's zombification of parliament with his treasonous fie yer parliament act which removed the prime minister's absolute right to turn to the people and say "these obstructive bastards are screwing you over, help me destroy them"
Which s what Boris ACTUALLY meant and it is why I voted for him, not that it did any fucking good in a constituency so weighed down with labour and immigrant sheep
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 26, 2023 10:40:08 GMT
Brexiters: Blair inundated the UK with immigrants who did the jobs Brits don’t want to do. Remainer: What’s your plan? Brexiter: We’re going to export all the jobs Brits actually want to do to low wage countries. Global Britain!!! Remainer: Thought it might be something like that. Remainer: Mummy and Daddy need a Nanny and a Cleaner but not a British one because they want a decent living wage. Brexiter: What's your plan? Remainer: Open the floodgates to non-convergent economies and pay Vladimir and Misha a shit wage - UK taxpayers can subsidise the rest. Plus Daddy can pay a load of Ivan's a pittance to load his ivory warehouse. Brexiter: So fuck the Brits then as long as your comfortable. Socialist bullshit! Vladimir and Misha can sell their kidneys if their children are hungry. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 26, 2023 10:41:51 GMT
Remainer: Mummy and Daddy need a Nanny and a Cleaner but not a British one because they want a decent living wage. Brexiter: What's your plan? Remainer: Open the floodgates to non-convergent economies and pay Vladimir and Misha a shit wage - UK taxpayers can subsidise the rest. Plus Daddy can pay a load of Ivan's a pittance to load his ivory warehouse. Brexiter: So fuck the Brits then as long as your comfortable. Socialist bullshit! Vladimir and Misha can sell their kidneys if their children are hungry. So long as they do it in their own country. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 26, 2023 10:44:55 GMT
Socialist bullshit! Vladimir and Misha can sell their kidneys if their children are hungry. So long as they do it in their own country. Brexiters: Fair wages for Brits! We ’re socialists. We want socialist rights for British nationals. That’s right, we’re national socialists … oh, shit! |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 26, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
So long as they do it in their own country. Brexiters: Fair wages for Brits! We ’re socialists. We want socialist rights for British nationals. That’s right, we’re national socialists … oh, shit! Did Mummy and Daddy have to get rid of Vladimir and Misha Darling? You have to wipe your own arse now. Diddum's. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 26, 2023 10:50:05 GMT
Brexiters: Fair wages for Brits! We ’re socialists. We want socialist rights for British nationals. That’s right, we’re national socialists … oh, shit! Did Mummy and Daddy have to get rid of Vladimir and Misha Darling? You have to wipe your own arse now. Diddum's. Bentley wipes my arse now, Bubs. He doesn't even ask for payment. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 26, 2023 10:53:27 GMT
I don't know why the Danes, Swedes and Germans selected in this opinion poll expressed the opinion they did.
I don't really care why regions of the UK voted as they did. It is obvious the remainers jumped on regional disparities as a way of sowing disunity in the disunited shithole blair created to deliberately destroy the united kingdom he was handed when Major fucked up and let him in
The UK joined the trading bloc known as the EEC as a single, united, sovereign state because the conservative government who took us in took their election as a sign of having a mandate to do so without holding the referendum they previously promised to hold. Knowing as i do the vast difference between a general election where 40% of the voters have no voice because of the way the constituencies are rigged versus a referendum in which every vote has an equal say I have never trusted or accepted that bullshit. Wilson, when he finally got round to holding the referendum, made it such a mealy mouthed why are we fucking even bothering to do this affair it was obvious which way it would go.
I'm sorry but you were quite clear and confident in your suggestion that only basket case economies would vote to remain in the EU. You must have something more than "I don't know and I don't care" about why a non-basket case country such as Denmark or Germany would vote to remain in the EU -- surely? I know nothing of the current politics of Germany and Denmark. I have no idea why a miniscule sample of people contacted by these pollsters held the opinion they did, i do not know who they were, i have no way of knowing if they were in fact illegal immigrants welcomed in by a swabian hausfrau now long departed i believe masquerading as blonde blue eyed aryans.
I know that with the loss of the very, very large amount of money the germans counted on the EU being handed from us they have had to step up and have their share of the budget contribution hiked up to meet the shortfall. I wonder if the reality at the next election will reflect these polls.
But as the only connection i have to germany is my very blonde very blue eyed immediate family fled it to Rhodesia and England in the last days of the weimar republic before hitler got going I'm not entirely convinced why i should give a flying one what the germans want to do
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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2023 10:54:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 12:07:11 GMT
I'm sorry but you were quite clear and confident in your suggestion that only basket case economies would vote to remain in the EU. You must have something more than "I don't know and I don't care" about why a non-basket case country such as Denmark or Germany would vote to remain in the EU -- surely? I know nothing of the current politics of Germany and Denmark. I have no idea why a miniscule sample of people contacted by these pollsters held the opinion they did, i do not know who they were, i have no way of knowing if they were in fact illegal immigrants welcomed in by a swabian hausfrau now long departed i believe masquerading as blonde blue eyed aryans.
I know that with the loss of the very, very large amount of money the germans counted on the EU being handed from us they have had to step up and have their share of the budget contribution hiked up to meet the shortfall. I wonder if the reality at the next election will reflect these polls.
But as the only connection i have to germany is my very blonde very blue eyed immediate family fled it to Rhodesia and England in the last days of the weimar republic before hitler got going I'm not entirely convinced why i should give a flying one what the germans want to do
You were so emphatic about your original claim that the only reasonable conclusion anyone could draw from it was that only countries with basket case economies -- like Spain, according to you -- would vote to remain in the EU. But Austria, Germany, Denmark, etc. aren't basket case economies yet they would still vote to remain in the EU, so there's a big disconnect there somewhere -- which you, seemingly, would rather dismiss than justify. But, fair enough. Brexit defenders always point to this flimsy argument that there was never any financial gain from our EU membership and from UK contributions to the EU budget, i.e., £9B net annual contribution was not worth it. But now we see from studies that the trade barriers created by leaving the EU alone are costing the UK roughly 4 per cent of the economy. So, £9B cash contribution versus £85B reduction in wealth? I'd rather eat that £9B anytime. There appears to be no sign of the German public rebelling against increased contribution to the EU. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 29, 2023 7:53:49 GMT
That argument may be true , but as we know doesnt always make sense. Wales was one of the biggest beneficiaries of eu cash , yet the anglo saxon incomers in wales voted to take wales out of the eu along with the mother country england .
The welsh valleys , in the disunited kingdom , are among the poorest parts of europe , poorer than bulgaria romania and many other areas. Meanwhile across the sea , independent ireland is thriving by comparison.
No wonder welsh independence support is growing.
Looks like wales needs conveyor belts of eu cash.
Contrary to popular belief no-one was actually a beneficiary of EU cash
For a start it was not EU Cash. It was UK cash taken from us and graciously handed back
But only if (a) every pound handed back was matched by a further pound put in by the UK treasury and only then if we put up billboards that lied that the money all came from the EU
well john , your fellow welsh for some strange reason dont seem to have gotten your memo.
Public opinion in Wales decisively swings against Brexit
Voters regretting leaving the EU now outnumber supporters in every part of Wales
you could use that same argument john about uk cash , where money is taken from wales £80 billion economy by westmisnter and breadcrumbs handed back to the welsh .
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