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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 16:02:23 GMT
Initially I would have said no, a parking fine or charge is a fixed amount for a minor transgression. No need to complicate things by having different charges proportionate to earnings. However, after reading this item I think I've changed my mind: metro.co.uk/2022/10/27/millionaire-boasts-he-got-over-100-parking-fines-in-a-year-17645213/A £65 parking charge is nothing to someone who earns £100,000 a month and uses double yellow lines as his personal parking area. So, £30 for a ford, £3000 for a Ferrari, is this the way to go?
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 27, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
Initially I would have said no, a parking fine or charge is a fixed amount for a minor transgression. No need to complicate things by having different charges proportionate to earnings. However, after reading this item I think I've changed my mind: metro.co.uk/2022/10/27/millionaire-boasts-he-got-over-100-parking-fines-in-a-year-17645213/A £65 parking charge is nothing to someone who earns £100,000 a month and uses double yellow lines as his personal parking area. So, £30 for a ford, £3000 for a Ferrari, is this the way to go? We went down this route under Blair. Although I know why it happened and know the Sun ‘did a number’ on the facts as only they can, a fine of £3000 fir dropping a crisp packet in the street imposed on an unemployed man showed the utter stupidity of the concept.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 21:55:05 GMT
Initially I would have said no, a parking fine or charge is a fixed amount for a minor transgression. No need to complicate things by having different charges proportionate to earnings. However, after reading this item I think I've changed my mind: metro.co.uk/2022/10/27/millionaire-boasts-he-got-over-100-parking-fines-in-a-year-17645213/A £65 parking charge is nothing to someone who earns £100,000 a month and uses double yellow lines as his personal parking area. So, £30 for a ford, £3000 for a Ferrari, is this the way to go? We went down this route under Blair. Although I know why it happened and know the Sun ‘did a number’ on the facts as only they can, a fine of £3000 fir dropping a crisp packet in the street imposed on an unemployed man showed the utter stupidity of the concept. Well yes, I agree fining an unemployed man £3000 for dropping a crisp packet is a tad pointless. But how many unemployed men do you know who have a Ferrari?
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 27, 2022 22:41:16 GMT
We went down this route under Blair. Although I know why it happened and know the Sun ‘did a number’ on the facts as only they can, a fine of £3000 fir dropping a crisp packet in the street imposed on an unemployed man showed the utter stupidity of the concept. Well yes, I agree fining an unemployed man £3000 for dropping a crisp packet is a tad pointless. But how many unemployed men do you know who have a Ferrari? Possibly you forget how this came about. In order to be fined the ‘correct’ amount you had to declare your income to the court in default of which you were fined the maximum the system allowed. This is yet another example of the mechanism used by the tax authorities to deem you guilty unless you can prove your innocence You might think serve the bastard right for not sending in the form but in reality they have committed contempt of court and should be jailed for it. Apart from assuring the unemployed free training free healthcare free additional academic education and a warm bed this would put such a strain on prison spaces the stupidity of the measure would be quickly seen. At least one of these instances was caused by the court losing the records in question.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 22:53:46 GMT
Well yes, I agree fining an unemployed man £3000 for dropping a crisp packet is a tad pointless. But how many unemployed men do you know who have a Ferrari? Possibly you forget how this came about. In order to be fined the ‘correct’ amount you had to declare your income to the court in default of which you were fined the maximum the system allowed. This is yet another example of the mechanism used by the tax authorities to deem you guilty unless you can prove your innocence You might think serve the bastard right for not sending in the form but in reality they have committed contempt of court and should be jailed for it. Apart from assuring the unemployed free training free healthcare free additional academic education and a warm bed this would put such a strain on prison spaces the stupidity of the measure would be quickly seen. At least one of these instances was caused by the court losing the records in question. No I didn't forget how this came about. But thank you for caring. Btw, a parking charge is not a fine. Only a court can issue a fine.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2022 3:43:39 GMT
Possibly you forget how this came about. In order to be fined the ‘correct’ amount you had to declare your income to the court in default of which you were fined the maximum the system allowed. This is yet another example of the mechanism used by the tax authorities to deem you guilty unless you can prove your innocence You might think serve the bastard right for not sending in the form but in reality they have committed contempt of court and should be jailed for it. Apart from assuring the unemployed free training free healthcare free additional academic education and a warm bed this would put such a strain on prison spaces the stupidity of the measure would be quickly seen. At least one of these instances was caused by the court losing the records in question. No I didn't forget how this came about. But thank you for caring. Btw, a parking charge is not a fine. Only a court can issue a fine. I am not trying to hy-jack your thread RR, But I wonder what those councils do with all the extra money they make from their car parks by not giving change or any extra time when their captive customer base put extra into their meters? It always seems as tho their prices are calculated to make extra money from their car parks ie like 90P for x amount of time most people will not have the correct amount of change so they will put a quid into the machine. Ca-Ching another 10P extra of un-earned income into council coffers.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2022 3:59:35 GMT
No I didn't forget how this came about. But thank you for caring. Btw, a parking charge is not a fine. Only a court can issue a fine. I am not trying to hy-jack your thread RR, But I wonder what those councils do with all the extra money they make from their car parks by not giving change or any extra time when their captive customer base put extra into their meters? It always seems as tho their prices are calculated to make extra money from their car parks ie like 90P for x amount of time most people will not have the correct amount of change so they will put a quid into the machine. Ca-Ching another 10P extra of un-earned income into council coffers. Please Jonksy, hi-jack away We often use a car park in town and like most people we overpay. I always hold my ticket out of the window as I slowly drive from the car park and usually a driver entering the carpark will wind his window down and gratefully take it with a shout of 'cheers mate'. And it's an offence to do that. If the council have photographic evidence, they will prosecute. Which is why I have false plates. LOL, kidding, there are always CCTV blind spots.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2022 4:12:16 GMT
I am not trying to hy-jack your thread RR, But I wonder what those councils do with all the extra money they make from their car parks by not giving change or any extra time when their captive customer base put extra into their meters? It always seems as tho their prices are calculated to make extra money from their car parks ie like 90P for x amount of time most people will not have the correct amount of change so they will put a quid into the machine. Ca-Ching another 10P extra of un-earned income into council coffers. Please Jonksy, hi-jack away We often use a car park in town and like most people we overpay. I always hold my ticket out of the window as I slowly drive from the car park and usually a driver entering the carpark will wind his window down and gratefully take it with a shout of 'cheers mate'. And it's an offence to do that. If the council have photographic evidence, they will prosecute. Which is why I have false plates. LOL, kidding, there are always CCTV blind spots. Many of the councils money making machines now ask for your cars registration number so it can be printed on the ticket. I always put "FUCK YOU" Some jobsworth told me once after he had done his rounds to check on all the cars that were parked said you can't use that as I got into my car to drive away I just said fuck you I have already used it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2022 4:24:57 GMT
Please Jonksy, hi-jack away We often use a car park in town and like most people we overpay. I always hold my ticket out of the window as I slowly drive from the car park and usually a driver entering the carpark will wind his window down and gratefully take it with a shout of 'cheers mate'. And it's an offence to do that. If the council have photographic evidence, they will prosecute. Which is why I have false plates. LOL, kidding, there are always CCTV blind spots. Many of the councils money making machines now ask for your cars registration number so it can be printed on the ticket. I always put "FUCK YOU" Some jobsworth told me once after he had done his rounds to check on all the cars that were parked said you can't use that as I got into my car to drive away I just said fuck you I have already used it. I've never experienced that, if at some point I'm asked for my reg, my response would be similar to yours. People think I'm a funny bugger because always refuse to give info, but it's not me being awkward, it's just that everyone today seems to think it's ok to dish out their personal details, and they wonder why identity theft is so common.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2022 4:33:12 GMT
Many of the councils money making machines now ask for your cars registration number so it can be printed on the ticket. I always put "FUCK YOU" Some jobsworth told me once after he had done his rounds to check on all the cars that were parked said you can't use that as I got into my car to drive away I just said fuck you I have already used it. I've never experienced that, if at some point I'm asked for my reg, my response would be similar to yours. People think I'm a funny bugger because always refuse to give info, but it's not me being awkward, it's just that everyone today seems to think it's ok to dish out their personal details, and they wonder why identity theft is so common. My partner has told me that Torbay council are charging people on the exits of many of their carparks now. She said she had to put her registration number into the machine on exit and that calculated the charge. So they must have number plate regognition that time stamps vehicles as they enter the car park crafty fuckers.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2022 4:43:58 GMT
I've never experienced that, if at some point I'm asked for my reg, my response would be similar to yours. People think I'm a funny bugger because always refuse to give info, but it's not me being awkward, it's just that everyone today seems to think it's ok to dish out their personal details, and they wonder why identity theft is so common. My partner has told me that Torbay council are charging people on the exits of many of their carparks now. She said she had to put her registration number into the machine on exit and that calculated the charge. So they must have number plate regognition that time stamps vehicles as they enter the car park crafty fuckers. That is absolutely fucking outrageous, the only reason councils get away with this is because the government allow DVLA to sell our personal details to any local authority who wants to pay for them. Which is all of them.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 28, 2022 9:06:19 GMT
Btw, a parking charge is not a fine. Only a court can issue a fine. Ah yes, I had momentarily overlooked the fact these are just invoices the companies then try to get enforced as breaches of a contract in the small claims court. Well they can sod right off. You don’t get charged different prices for a pound of carrots in Sainsbury’s. You do, of course, in Egypt, where they have one price for locals, another for gastarbeiters and another for tourists
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 28, 2022 9:09:39 GMT
I am not trying to hy-jack your thread RR, But I wonder what those councils do with all the extra money they make from their car parks by not giving change or any extra time when their captive customer base put extra into their meters? It always seems as tho their prices are calculated to make extra money from their car parks ie like 90P for x amount of time most people will not have the correct amount of change so they will put a quid into the machine. Ca-Ching another 10P extra of un-earned income into council coffers. Please Jonksy, hi-jack away We often use a car park in town and like most people we overpay. I always hold my ticket out of the window as I slowly drive from the car park and usually a driver entering the carpark will wind his window down and gratefully take it with a shout of 'cheers mate'. And it's an offence to do that. If the council have photographic evidence, they will prosecute. Which is why I have false plates. LOL, kidding, there are always CCTV blind spots. I once got into a bad tempered debate with a guy in a town centre car park for refusing to take his ticket. The guy was driving towards me at the ticket machine shouting, blowing his horn and waving his ticket out of the window. I pointed out to him that it was illegal and that the car park is surrounded by cameras and the Council Offices including the transport department overlook the car park. Apparently I was a dickhead for refusing to very conspicuously break the law. Now most car parks in the county require you to enter your registration number when you buy a ticket. So thanks to all the ''Robin Hood'' penny pinching outlaws there are queues at the machines and Big Brother has a record of where I park.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 28, 2022 9:31:02 GMT
Initially I would have said no, a parking fine or charge is a fixed amount for a minor transgression. No need to complicate things by having different charges proportionate to earnings. However, after reading this item I think I've changed my mind: metro.co.uk/2022/10/27/millionaire-boasts-he-got-over-100-parking-fines-in-a-year-17645213/A £65 parking charge is nothing to someone who earns £100,000 a month and uses double yellow lines as his personal parking area. So, £30 for a ford, £3000 for a Ferrari, is this the way to go? My view is after unpaid tickets say 20 then the car gets towed and auctioned-off after a month if no-one comes forward. Of course if the culprit comes in no release of car until fines and tow charge paid.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2022 10:02:24 GMT
Please Jonksy, hi-jack away We often use a car park in town and like most people we overpay. I always hold my ticket out of the window as I slowly drive from the car park and usually a driver entering the carpark will wind his window down and gratefully take it with a shout of 'cheers mate'. And it's an offence to do that. If the council have photographic evidence, they will prosecute. Which is why I have false plates. LOL, kidding, there are always CCTV blind spots. I once got into a bad tempered debate with a guy in a town centre car park for refusing to take his ticket. The guy was driving towards me at the ticket machine shouting, blowing his horn and waving his ticket out of the window. I pointed out to him that it was illegal and that the car park is surrounded by cameras and the Council Offices including the transport department overlook the car park. Apparently I was a dickhead for refusing to very conspicuously break the law. Now most car parks in the county require you to enter your registration number when you buy a ticket. So thanks to all the ''Robin Hood'' penny pinching outlaws there are queues at the machines and Big Brother has a record of where I park. Councils just use parking as a cash cow. Then they wonder why the high streets are dying.
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