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Post by zanygame on Jun 20, 2023 7:50:13 GMT
There is nothing stopping us from separating renewable from gas prices. Then we would see the real reason energy prices are so high. How would that work?. Currently we have CFD which set a floor for renewables but each operator has the option not to sell at those prices but sell at the market price - which is set by the highest cost supply. Would you force operators to only sell at the CFD price? - how would that impact investment in the industry? Can you clarify. At this time renewable producers could sell to the public (Not the energy companies)at whatever price they desire? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 20, 2023 11:04:15 GMT
How would that work?. Currently we have CFD which set a floor for renewables but each operator has the option not to sell at those prices but sell at the market price - which is set by the highest cost supply. Would you force operators to only sell at the CFD price? - how would that impact investment in the industry? Can you clarify. At this time renewable producers could sell to the public (Not the energy companies)at whatever price they desire? The renewables suppliers have signed up to the Contracts For Difference system which the Government brought in to ensure that investment in renewables was without risk by introducing a minimum price for any energy they provided. The system is designed to give a minimum price, not to be a long term supply contract price. Hence the renewables providers sell at the current market rate - so to prevent them from selling at the market rate and force them to sell at cheaper rates is (I would have thought) going to have an impact on investment. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 20, 2023 14:04:27 GMT
Good to see Airbus has received the biggest order ever recorded for an aircraft manufacturer at the Paris Airshow, The UK are a major player in the Airbus consortium.This is yet another boost to the UK economy. Are you talking about the Chinese order? That was down to Boeing supplying missiles to Taiwan so they were put on the country's blacklist along with Raytheon and one other. I agree, Airbus are now onto a winner, but the money governments put into it was huge. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2023 14:10:33 GMT
Good to see Airbus has received the biggest order ever recorded for an aircraft manufacturer at the Paris Airshow, The UK are a major player in the Airbus consortium.This is yet another boost to the UK economy. Are you talking about the Chinese order? That was down to Boeing supplying missiles to Taiwan so they were put on the country's blacklist along with Raytheon and one other. I agree, Airbus are now onto a winner, but the money governments put into it was huge. Do keep up with the present day BVL.........Do they look like missiles to you?
Airbus wins record 500-plane order from India's IndiGo
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Post by zanygame on Jun 20, 2023 17:05:54 GMT
Can you clarify. At this time renewable producers could sell to the public (Not the energy companies)at whatever price they desire? The renewables suppliers have signed up to the Contracts For Difference system which the Government brought in to ensure that investment in renewables was without risk by introducing a minimum price for any energy they provided. The system is designed to give a minimum price, not to be a long term supply contract price. Hence the renewables providers sell at the current market rate - so to prevent them from selling at the market rate and force them to sell at cheaper rates is (I would have thought) going to have an impact on investment. Right, so the government can reduce that minimum price to a fixed amount rather than one based on gas prices. Investment was working just fine when gas prices are a quarter of where they are now. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 20, 2023 17:10:53 GMT
The renewables suppliers have signed up to the Contracts For Difference system which the Government brought in to ensure that investment in renewables was without risk by introducing a minimum price for any energy they provided. The system is designed to give a minimum price, not to be a long term supply contract price. Hence the renewables providers sell at the current market rate - so to prevent them from selling at the market rate and force them to sell at cheaper rates is (I would have thought) going to have an impact on investment. Right, so the government can reduce that minimum price to a fixed amount rather than one based on gas prices. Investment was working just fine when gas prices are a quarter of where they are now. No - you have it the wrong way round. The set price from CFD is the minimum price - but the suppliers are free to sell for the market price if they wish. All CFD does is stop them losing money if the market price goes too low. It was introduced (along with the subsidies) to get business to invest in renewables. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 20, 2023 17:31:10 GMT
Right, so the government can reduce that minimum price to a fixed amount rather than one based on gas prices. Investment was working just fine when gas prices are a quarter of where they are now. No - you have it the wrong way round. The set price from CFD is the minimum price - but the suppliers are free to sell for the market price if they wish. All CFD does is stop them losing money if the market price goes too low. It was introduced (along with the subsidies) to get business to invest in renewables. OK. In that case the government should force renewable energy companies to lower their prices and not take advantage of the war in Ukraine. They can still make enough for investment. In any case green energy is now profitable without government help. But if the government wish to accelerate green energy they should invest not force up prices. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 20, 2023 18:35:47 GMT
Are you talking about the Chinese order? That was down to Boeing supplying missiles to Taiwan so they were put on the country's blacklist along with Raytheon and one other. I agree, Airbus are now onto a winner, but the money governments put into it was huge. Do keep up with the present day BVL.........Do they look like missiles to you?
Airbus wins record 500-plane order from India's IndiGo
EDIT It was a question. Can't you just answer without being sarcastic? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2023 20:04:51 GMT
Do keep up with the present day BVL.........Do they look like missiles to you?
Airbus wins record 500-plane order from India's IndiGo
EDIT It was a question. Can't you just answer without being sarcastic? Where exactly was I being Sarcastic? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 20, 2023 21:34:14 GMT
No - you have it the wrong way round. The set price from CFD is the minimum price - but the suppliers are free to sell for the market price if they wish. All CFD does is stop them losing money if the market price goes too low. It was introduced (along with the subsidies) to get business to invest in renewables. OK. In that case the government should force renewable energy companies to lower their prices and not take advantage of the war in Ukraine. They can still make enough for investment. In any case green energy is now profitable without government help. But if the government wish to accelerate green energy they should invest not force up prices. Well 2 points - if the government forced renewable companies to sell for less than the market price what would that do to the level of investment? ..and, if renewables are profitable why is the industry still demanding subsidies? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 7:28:16 GMT
OK. In that case the government should force renewable energy companies to lower their prices and not take advantage of the war in Ukraine. They can still make enough for investment. In any case green energy is now profitable without government help. But if the government wish to accelerate green energy they should invest not force up prices. Well 2 points - if the government forced renewable companies to sell for less than the market price what would that do to the level of investment? ..and, if renewables are profitable why is the industry still demanding subsidies? 2 answers. 1.It would reduce the investment from cashflow which could be made up by government or private capital investment. 2. Why does any company demand investment. To grow faster. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 21, 2023 7:33:10 GMT
Well 2 points - if the government forced renewable companies to sell for less than the market price what would that do to the level of investment? ..and, if renewables are profitable why is the industry still demanding subsidies? 2 answers. 1.It would reduce the investment from cashflow which could be made up by government or private capital investment. so more subsidy.. There are very few profitable companies that demand taxpayer subsidy - if these companies are as profitable as claimed why can they not fund their own investment program? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 8:22:12 GMT
2 answers. 1.It would reduce the investment from cashflow which could be made up by government or private capital investment. When did investment become subsidy? There are very few profitable companies that demand taxpayer subsidy - if these companies are as profitable as claimed why can they not fund their own investment program? There are very few circumstances like climate change. And they want investment because they want renewables to grow faster than profits allow. |
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Post by Tinculin on Jun 21, 2023 8:27:48 GMT
..and, if renewables are profitable why is the industry still demanding subsidies? If I could demand 1000000 from the government each year, I would. It’s not someone’s fault for asking for something and being told yes (outside of fraud). It’s the governments job to say ‘no’. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 21, 2023 12:30:40 GMT
It was a question. Can't you just answer without being sarcastic? Where exactly was I being Sarcastic? I suggest you re-read what I said.
Look what is going on.
First Pelosi goes to Taiwan to set up a new US missile installation programme involving Boeing in the contract.
Next the CPC get totally pissed off, and I mean every department was of the same total pissed offnesss according to Victor Gao.
Then the CPC announce a ban on Boeing and this was then followed by Boeing's expected resupply contracts to airlines of ageing Boeing fleet going to Airbus and a multi-hundred billion contract as the first in a long line.
We know China and India are politically aligned in the BRICs organisation.
We also know France is asking to join Brics.
We also know France is part of Airbus.
Now you tell me India has signed a contract to supply Airbus.
In my mind this is to be expected.
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