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Post by Bentley on Jun 18, 2023 15:49:17 GMT
Russians will defeat Putin eventually. Putin can't beat NATO and throwing civilians on the fire is stoking revolution. President Putin is already beating Nato. You will see more evidence of this in the coming weeks as they have a very large army which according to what I hear are just getting into position. We're talking about 650 000. Most of Ukraine's army is smashed to pieces. Washington looks like it wont back down, so this forces Russia to gain control of all of Ukraine. Their alternative is pretty much just take the Eastern half up to the Dnieper River, but if they do this and Washington is still feeding the other half with missiles they are going to have to wipe out the entire regime and take control of the nation, something I hear President Putin would prefer not to do.
You could say, well OK so Nato's army is huge, but think about it. Look at the political situation in Germany and similar. This is impossible politically. OK they could say push it through if they tried but as soon as body bags started to be returned from the frontline all hell would break loose in the country and the government would be forced out and an anti-war government elected.It only worked in Iraq because the Iraqis were crap military men. With Russia it is in their blood. They are battle-hardened.
We’re they battle hardened in Afghanistan? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 18, 2023 17:21:01 GMT
President Putin is already beating Nato. You will see more evidence of this in the coming weeks as they have a very large army which according to what I hear are just getting into position. We're talking about 650 000. Most of Ukraine's army is smashed to pieces. Washington looks like it wont back down, so this forces Russia to gain control of all of Ukraine. Their alternative is pretty much just take the Eastern half up to the Dnieper River, but if they do this and Washington is still feeding the other half with missiles they are going to have to wipe out the entire regime and take control of the nation, something I hear President Putin would prefer not to do.
You could say, well OK so Nato's army is huge, but think about it. Look at the political situation in Germany and similar. This is impossible politically. OK they could say push it through if they tried but as soon as body bags started to be returned from the frontline all hell would break loose in the country and the government would be forced out and an anti-war government elected.It only worked in Iraq because the Iraqis were crap military men. With Russia it is in their blood. They are battle-hardened.
You guess wrong again here Baron. Russia army has been seen for what it is, ill equipped and ill trained. Even the West was surprised at how poor they are. There own private militia refuse to fight alongside them. The soldiers are now untrained conscripts, the people of Russia are openly criticising Putin now despite the threats of 15 to 20 year jail sentences for doing so. The Ukrainian counteroffensive has all but failed now. The last I heard was about 30% of Nato weapons sent for it are now destroyed. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 18, 2023 17:28:45 GMT
You guess wrong again here Baron. Russia army has been seen for what it is, ill equipped and ill trained. Even the West was surprised at how poor they are. There own private militia refuse to fight alongside them. The soldiers are now untrained conscripts, the people of Russia are openly criticising Putin now despite the threats of 15 to 20 year jail sentences for doing so. The Ukrainian counteroffensive has all but failed now. The last I heard was about 30% of Nato weapons sent for it are now destroyed. Last you heard? That's a very strange source. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 17:44:47 GMT
Russians will defeat Putin eventually. Putin can't beat NATO and throwing civilians on the fire is stoking revolution. President Putin is already beating Nato. You will see more evidence of this in the coming weeks as they have a very large army which according to what I hear are just getting into position. We're talking about 650 000. Most of Ukraine's army is smashed to pieces. Washington looks like it wont back down, so this forces Russia to gain control of all of Ukraine. Their alternative is pretty much just take the Eastern half up to the Dnieper River, but if they do this and Washington is still feeding the other half with missiles they are going to have to wipe out the entire regime and take control of the nation, something I hear President Putin would prefer not to do.
You could say, well OK so Nato's army is huge, but think about it. Look at the political situation in Germany and similar. This is impossible politically. OK they could say push it through if they tried but as soon as body bags started to be returned from the frontline all hell would break loose in the country and the government would be forced out and an anti-war government elected.It only worked in Iraq because the Iraqis were crap military men. With Russia it is in their blood. They are battle-hardened.
Russia is not fighting NATO - NATO has made a conscious decision to keep out. All Russia has to do is fight Ukraine and at the moment Russia is on the defensive. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 18, 2023 17:45:01 GMT
Then best you put your hand in your pocket and pay some experts for an opinion rather than expect people on a forum, many of whom you regularly disagree with, to provide you with advice. Most unprofessional. Oh yes, the experts 😒 Its a discussion forum, I know that's not what you do here, but then my question was not directed at you. I'm interested in whether other people on here are finding the current situation unpredictable. Read your OP, you never asked that, you merely made a blanket question. And what II attempt to do here is ask incisive questions, they're the ones that catch you out but it's not difficult and you can't get away with it. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 18, 2023 17:48:27 GMT
The Ukrainian counteroffensive has all but failed now. The last I heard was about 30% of Nato weapons sent for it are now destroyed. Last you heard? That's a very strange source. Does it really matter which source? I can't verify any of this information because there isn't a reliable source. I'm just putting it on the level of probably about right. They might have destroyed more, or then again they might have exaggerated when reporting it.
What Britain should do is pack it up. This crap might go on for another 20 years.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 18, 2023 17:53:25 GMT
You guess wrong again here Baron. Russia army has been seen for what it is, ill equipped and ill trained. Even the West was surprised at how poor they are. There own private militia refuse to fight alongside them. The soldiers are now untrained conscripts, the people of Russia are openly criticising Putin now despite the threats of 15 to 20 year jail sentences for doing so. The last I heard was about 30% of Nato weapons sent for it are now destroyed. Dream on BVL... Wat to go Ukrain.
Ukraine 'destroys Russian military ammunition depot' in occupied Kherson as plumes of smoke rise from blast in victory for Zelenky's forces
Ukrainian forces said they destroyed a 'significant' ammunition depot in Rykove, a city in the Russian-occupied Kherson.
Shocking footage shows smoke rising on a huge scale, in an area that has already faced devastation after the demolition of the Khakhovka Dam.
Spokesperson for the Odesa military, Serhiy Bratchuk, said: 'Our armed forces dealt a good blow in the morning - and a very loud one - in the village of Rykove, Henichesk district, in the temporarily occupied territory of the Kherson region.
'There was a very significant ammunition depot. It was destroyed.'
There was no immediate comment from Russia on the alleged attack.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 18, 2023 19:10:43 GMT
Last you heard? That's a very strange source. Does it really matter which source? I can't verify any of this information because there isn't a reliable source. I'm just putting it on the level of probably about right. They might have destroyed more, or then again they might have exaggerated when reporting it.
What Britain should do is pack it up. This crap might go on for another 20 years.
So your source isn’t reliable . They may be right or they may be wrong . Is your source a YouTube video? |
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Post by piglet on Jun 18, 2023 20:20:31 GMT
Putin is losing on two fronts ivan lover baron. Militarily and economically, for every bullet or missile fired, where is he going to get replacements, and if they come from abroad, pay with what? Its a comment on his madness, madness that he doesnt get it,... or more shockingly that hes done anything wrong, like break international law.
Do you baron?, get it? You are now going to trot out why its ok to murder innocent people and children, my madness meter is flashing lights in your direction. Ive got another shock for you, that if Putin withdrew his troops from Ukraine, will the west lift sanctions?
NO.
The foot is on the wind pipe, and it will stay there till that a$$hole is gone, we cant afford to let him carry on.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 18, 2023 20:42:59 GMT
I hope you're right piglet, but outside the West there are plenty of countries still trading with Russia.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 18, 2023 20:49:31 GMT
Oh yes, the experts 😒 Its a discussion forum, I know that's not what you do here, but then my question was not directed at you. I'm interested in whether other people on here are finding the current situation unpredictable. Read your OP, you never asked that, you merely made a blanket question. And what II attempt to do here is ask incisive questions, they're the ones that catch you out but it's not difficult and you can't get away with it. I'm not interested in your version of psycho babble and your endless opinions of me. I shall ignore you again. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 18, 2023 23:47:27 GMT
The Ukrainian counteroffensive has all but failed now. The last I heard was about 30% of Nato weapons sent for it are now destroyed. Dream on BVL... Wat to go Ukrain.
Ukraine 'destroys Russian military ammunition depot' in occupied Kherson as plumes of smoke rise from blast in victory for Zelenky's forces
Ukrainian forces said they destroyed a 'significant' ammunition depot in Rykove, a city in the Russian-occupied Kherson.
Shocking footage shows smoke rising on a huge scale, in an area that has already faced devastation after the demolition of the Khakhovka Dam.
Spokesperson for the Odesa military, Serhiy Bratchuk, said: 'Our armed forces dealt a good blow in the morning - and a very loud one - in the village of Rykove, Henichesk district, in the temporarily occupied territory of the Kherson region.
'There was a very significant ammunition depot. It was destroyed.'
There was no immediate comment from Russia on the alleged attack.
I've seen so many of these kind of reports and nearly every one was either exaggerated or on other occasions simply did not happen. You aught not to believe what you read in the British papers. I get my reports from a selection of foreign media and try and average it out. I mean like for example Indian TV covers it and they are more neutral. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 18, 2023 23:51:36 GMT
Putin is losing on two fronts ivan lover baron. Militarily and economically, for every bullet or missile fired, where is he going to get replacements, and if they come from abroad, pay with what? Its a comment on his madness, madness that he doesnt get it,... or more shockingly that hes done anything wrong, like break international law. Do you baron?, get it? You are now going to trot out why its ok to murder innocent people and children, my madness meter is flashing lights in your direction. Ive got another shock for you, that if Putin withdrew his troops from Ukraine, will the west lift sanctions? NO. The foot is on the wind pipe, and it will stay there till that a$$hole is gone, we cant afford to let him carry on. I thought I heard Russia is projected to increase GDP by 2% this year. If you think Britain is going to top that then I suppose you could criticise. 2% positive growth in the middle of a war with Nato is not a bad achievement. I don't love the man, but I acknowledge he knows what he is doing. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 19, 2023 1:59:02 GMT
Dream on BVL... Wat to go Ukrain.
Ukraine 'destroys Russian military ammunition depot' in occupied Kherson as plumes of smoke rise from blast in victory for Zelenky's forces
Ukrainian forces said they destroyed a 'significant' ammunition depot in Rykove, a city in the Russian-occupied Kherson.
Shocking footage shows smoke rising on a huge scale, in an area that has already faced devastation after the demolition of the Khakhovka Dam.
Spokesperson for the Odesa military, Serhiy Bratchuk, said: 'Our armed forces dealt a good blow in the morning - and a very loud one - in the village of Rykove, Henichesk district, in the temporarily occupied territory of the Kherson region.
'There was a very significant ammunition depot. It was destroyed.'
There was no immediate comment from Russia on the alleged attack.
I've seen so many of these kind of reports and nearly every one was either exaggerated or on other occasions simply did not happen. You aught not to believe what you read in the British papers. I get my reports from a selection of foreign media and try and average it out. I mean like for example Indian TV covers it and they are more neutral. Not all of them are false stories or repeorts BVL. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 19, 2023 5:16:57 GMT
Russians will defeat Putin eventually. Putin can't beat NATO and throwing civilians on the fire is stoking revolution. President Putin is already beating Nato. You will see more evidence of this in the coming weeks as they have a very large army which according to what I hear are just getting into position. We're talking about 650 000. Most of Ukraine's army is smashed to pieces. Washington looks like it wont back down, so this forces Russia to gain control of all of Ukraine. Their alternative is pretty much just take the Eastern half up to the Dnieper River, but if they do this and Washington is still feeding the other half with missiles they are going to have to wipe out the entire regime and take control of the nation, something I hear President Putin would prefer not to do.
You could say, well OK so Nato's army is huge, but think about it. Look at the political situation in Germany and similar. This is impossible politically. OK they could say push it through if they tried but as soon as body bags started to be returned from the frontline all hell would break loose in the country and the government would be forced out and an anti-war government elected.It only worked in Iraq because the Iraqis were crap military men. With Russia it is in their blood. They are battle-hardened.
Nonsense,the Russian army is a shadow of what it once was Putin lives in a world of his own. Russia needs a way out of this though and not being totally humiliated. |
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