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Post by Orac on Jun 27, 2023 15:50:09 GMT
How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? The problem is Britain has never seen fit to implement those measures. One must wonder why not Essentially the same problem with visa overstayers - once they are in, it becomes your problem to find and identify them. the answer to my original question is still yes. A layer of control is removed. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 16:33:00 GMT
How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? Citizenship and FOM are not related. Germany can grant German Citizenship to anyone Germany wishes. FoM allows a citizen of one of the EU states with the right of abode in that state to seek work in another EU state and has the right to cross into that state to make that application
HOWEVER, the state receiving the application for a fully documented citizen of another EU state to register to work there has the right to kick them out if after 90 days they have not found any employment and their access to state support could be limited
The problem is Britain has never seen fit to implement those measures. One must wonder why not
It would require a system of ID cards, which in the UK is very unpopular with some. Personally I don't see the issue but I accept that I'm in a minority - after all look at the whinging over the requirement for ID's to vote. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 27, 2023 20:54:16 GMT
Citizenship and FOM are not related. Germany can grant German Citizenship to anyone Germany wishes. FoM allows a citizen of one of the EU states with the right of abode in that state to seek work in another EU state and has the right to cross into that state to make that application
HOWEVER, the state receiving the application for a fully documented citizen of another EU state to register to work there has the right to kick them out if after 90 days they have not found any employment and their access to state support could be limited
The problem is Britain has never seen fit to implement those measures. One must wonder why not
It would require a system of ID cards, which in the UK is very unpopular with some. Personally I don't see the issue but I accept that I'm in a minority - after all look at the whinging over the requirement for ID's to vote. Well that's an interesting point; i'm far from convinced that is the case given we are not in the schengen area and never were, so everybody who wished to legally seek a job here under EU Freedom of movement "rights" had to have a passport. What it would need is a degree of integration of the police state such that having applied for a national insurance number to work her legally one would have to give an address to the authorities and keep it up to date, and then any national insurance number issued but not used by an employer to register a worker on their payroll inside 90 days of issue or leaving one payroll and not appearing on another inside 90 days would automatically be reported to the border force to initiate removal. I'm absolutely fine with that but that's because I've worked in countries the germans invaded and imposed "ihre papieren bitte" on the conquered population of and as a British Citizen with a British passport this would not apply to me, only to these "gastarbeiters" (and i think that is how we should view them, and always should have, as guest workers in our country) |
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