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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 16, 2023 12:10:12 GMT
Bollocks. I'm reminded of Bette Davis' comment on being told that Joan Crawford had died. She said "Good". That's honesty. What we've got here is what's called bollocks. These people are criminals and doing stupid things in order to illegally enter the West. If they die that's their problem. The problem for the West is that not enough of them die. If more died they might stop. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 12:28:04 GMT
Bollocks. I'm reminded of Bette Davis' comment on being told that Joan Crawford had died. She said "Good". That's honesty. What we've got here is what's called bollocks. These people are criminals and doing stupid things in order to illegally enter the West. If they die that's their problem.
The problem for the West is that not enough of them die. If more died they might stop. Jee! Zuz! The hatred! The ignorance!  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 16, 2023 12:44:59 GMT
1. Make it clear to front-line states that if they admit unwanted migrants, then they are theirs to keep. There will be no 'sharing of the burden'. How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? I think there is an opt-out from the FoM Directive in the event of a threat to public order or national security. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 19, 2023 14:40:12 GMT
How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? I think there is an opt-out from the FoM Directive in the event of a threat to public order or national security. It's not a directive, it's a regulation. Regulation (EEC) No 1612/68 As amended most recently by 492/2011
Hilarious. And it would never stop such people migrating all over the EU to work. The whole point is to saturate labour markets compressing wages. |
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Post by Orac on Jun 19, 2023 21:05:14 GMT
Dan answered my question with a 'yes'
However, he has worded it to look a bit like a 'no'
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Post by Vinny on Jun 20, 2023 8:23:27 GMT
Your question was quite valid.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 20, 2023 9:47:11 GMT
1. Make it clear to front-line states that if they admit unwanted migrants, then they are theirs to keep. There will be no 'sharing of the burden'. How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? No country is directed by the EU as to how to handle immigration. I do wish those who post about the EU understands the limits to the EU's ability to affect national law and the still large capacity of each member to make its own rules...ie be sovereign. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 20, 2023 9:49:59 GMT
Thanks for helping us show that the EU's policies are making the migrant crisis worse, rather than better.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 20, 2023 9:51:39 GMT
Thanks for helping us show that the EU's policies are making the migrant crisis worse, rather than better. So i am not on ignore, you liar. The only people making the migrant crisis worsse are the smugglers and the migrants. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 20, 2023 9:53:25 GMT
Once again, thanks for the boost.
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Post by Orac on Jun 20, 2023 9:56:44 GMT
How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? No country is directed by the EU as to how to handle immigration. I do wish those who post about the EU understands the limits to the EU's ability to affect national law and the still large capacity of each member to make its own rules...ie be sovereign. You have missed my point. That the EU doesn't direct immigration, but that FOM allows everyone to be potentially affected by any single nation's immigration, is precisely the issue I'm highlighting Here is the question I asked - If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 20, 2023 11:13:36 GMT
This shouldn't really be necessary but, yet again, migration policy is the prerogative of individual member states. It is not an EU 'competence'. Perhaps it should be but the plain truth is that it isn't, and never has been. Perhaps not, but lets not forget the EU opened job centres in Africa, and in 2015 Merkel opened borders to all comers then famously announced "Wir schaffen das" or, we can manage. Only to apologise the following year for the unmitigated and ongoing immigration disaster she created in the EU. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 27, 2023 15:32:10 GMT
1. Make it clear to front-line states that if they admit unwanted migrants, then they are theirs to keep. There will be no 'sharing of the burden'. How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? Citizenship and FOM are not related. Germany can grant German Citizenship to anyone Germany wishes. FoM allows a citizen of one of the EU states with the right of abode in that state to seek work in another EU state and has the right to cross into that state to make that application
HOWEVER, the state receiving the application for a fully documented citizen of another EU state to register to work there has the right to kick them out if after 90 days they have not found any employment and their access to state support could be limited
The problem is Britain has never seen fit to implement those measures. One must wonder why not
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 27, 2023 15:34:04 GMT
Bollocks. I'm reminded of Bette Davis' comment on being told that Joan Crawford had died. She said "Good". That's honesty. What we've got here is what's called bollocks. These people are criminals and doing stupid things in order to illegally enter the West. If they die that's their problem.
The problem for the West is that not enough of them die. If more died they might stop. Jee! Zuz! The hatred! The ignorance! The ignorance is strong in those who come to calais to make the crossing. Or come to Turkey / Libya / Morocco to make the crossing before the crossing. If there were more honesty about the corpses bloating in the mediterranean people might have second thoughts. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 27, 2023 15:38:03 GMT
No country is directed by the EU as to how to handle immigration. I do wish those who post about the EU understands the limits to the EU's ability to affect national law and the still large capacity of each member to make its own rules...ie be sovereign. You have missed my point. That the EU doesn't direct immigration, but that FOM allows everyone to be potentially affected by any single nation's immigration, is precisely the issue I'm highlighting Here is the question I asked - If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people?i refer you to my previous answer.
No EU state is required to grant citizenship to a person or group because another has granted it to members of that group
And No Eu State is required to tolerate citizens of another state inside its borders jobless for more than 90 days. That states do is a failing of that state not the EU or the state conferring citizenship on the alien incomers
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