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Post by Vinny on Jun 15, 2023 6:47:59 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 15, 2023 7:48:38 GMT
Let's be honest here, the EU are just as fecking useless as our lot.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2023 8:01:55 GMT
This shouldn't really be necessary but, yet again, migration policy is the prerogative of individual member states. It is not an EU 'competence'. Perhaps it should be but the plain truth is that it isn't, and never has been.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 15, 2023 8:04:55 GMT
The EU's idea to process asylum applications in Africa was good. I haven't heard anything about it in a while. If it has stopped, it should begin again. Likewise, applications for asylum in the UK should be heard in France. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2023 8:09:38 GMT
The EU does not process asylum claims, in Africa or elsewhere. It has no authority to do so and, anyway, where would successful claimants be sent?
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 15, 2023 8:11:39 GMT
The EU does not process asylum claims, in Africa or elsewhere. It has no authority to do so and, anyway, where would successful claimants be sent? Maybe, I'm misremembering, then. I thought that there were EU plans to establish centres to process asylum applications in Africa. Where would successful applicants be sent? Where do you think? Australia? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2023 8:20:06 GMT
You're probably thinking of Red Rackham's apocryphal 'Frau Merkel Job Centres' that the EU is said to have established in several African countries to facilitate millions of applications from Africans in their efforts to pursue career opportunities in the EU.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 15, 2023 9:00:40 GMT
This shouldn't really be necessary but, yet again, migration policy is the prerogative of individual member states. It is not an EU 'competence'. Perhaps it should be but the plain truth is that it isn't, and never has been. Once illegal immigrants get to a member state they can go anywhere in the EU. And, if accepted for asylum, they have full migration rights of the whole EU. The EU created Frontex, the European Border and Coastguard agency, so clearly the EU does think this is an issue for them. SO, the EU should do more to stop the drownings. More die each year drowning trying to get to the EU, than died in the 11th September 2001 terrorist attacks and those terror attacks started a war. What can be done? First, detain everyone and I mean everyone from those boats, until the smugglers are identified. If the smugglers aren't identified then deport everyone from those boats, to Somalia and here is how: Chuck them out of the back of transport planes with static line activated parachutes the same way aid supplies are chucked out of the back of transport planes. When the smugglers know this will happen to them as well as their passengers if they come, they won't bother and thousands of people's lives will be saved from drowning. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 15, 2023 9:17:34 GMT
Frontex does not have a mandate to prevent illegal entry except when requested to assist by a 'front-line state'. The underlying problem is that the EU does not have powers to impose significant and meaning full sanctions on member states to fulfil their obligation to secure the external border. The smugglers and their clients know that the chances of being involved in a fatal accident at sea are almost zero so they keep on doing what they've always done - rolling the dice and depending on kindly Europeans to rescue them if they do get in trouble.
The EU can do two things:
1. Make it clear to front-line states that if they admit unwanted migrants, then they are theirs to keep. There will be no 'sharing of the burden'.
2. Prevail upon member states to properly fund a militarised border police force based on Frontex, funded by a 'border levy' payable by all members.
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Post by ginnyg on Jun 15, 2023 14:08:43 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 15, 2023 19:23:01 GMT
Moved from elswhere: Dozens are dead and hundreds feared missing from migrant ship sinking off Greece KALAMATA, Greece — Rescue workers transferred the bodies of dead migrants to refrigerated trucks as a major search continued Thursday for possible survivors of a sea disaster in southern Greece. Hundreds of people are still feared missing. At least 78 bodies have been recovered after a fishing boat crammed with migrants seeking to make it from Libya to Italy capsized and sank a day earlier in deep waters off the Greek coast. Rescuers saved 104 passengers — including Egyptians, Syrians, Pakistanis, Afghans and Palestinians — but authorities fear that hundreds of others may have been trapped below deck. If confirmed that would make the tragedy one of the worst ever recorded in the central Mediterranean. www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182373326/dozens-are-dead-and-hundreds-feared-missing-from-migrant-ship-sinking-off-greeceThe unelected presidents and commissioners have blood on their hands, and they bloody well know it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 15, 2023 19:41:50 GMT
The EU says that it builds bridges, not walls. Yet all around Eastern Europe, tall walls and fences, bristling with sophisticated technology, are being erected to keep immigrants out. Of course if immigrants of whatever description do manage to get into the EU, they are allowed, indeed encouraged and in some cases none too gently encouraged to travel in the direction of Calais, while the EU look the other way. As far as the EU are concerned securing western borders is not is not nearly as important as securing eastern borders, for some reason. www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/fortress-europe-borders-wall-fence-controls-eu-countries-migrants-crisis/ |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 15, 2023 21:23:44 GMT
Meanwhile at sea they just keep drowning.
I won't lie, I'd pull the trigger on a smuggler and not lose sleep.
Those bastards are murderers. They deserve it, and their victims deserve a lesson. The lesson is don't, they'll kill you.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 15, 2023 21:33:48 GMT
Meanwhile at sea they just keep drowning. I won't lie, I'd pull the trigger on a smuggler and not lose sleep. Those bastards are murderers. They deserve it, and their victims deserve a lesson. The lesson is don't, they'll kill you. This could be sorted overnight, it's really not complicated. The government or government agencies know a damned sight more about people traffickers and their operations than they admit. The problem is cooperation. As we all know the EU aren't keen on stopping illegals leaving the EU for England because as far as the unelected presidents and commissioners are concerned, the UK is the 28th state, and that is the problem. |
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Post by Orac on Jun 16, 2023 10:58:10 GMT
1. Make it clear to front-line states that if they admit unwanted migrants, then they are theirs to keep. There will be no 'sharing of the burden'. How could such be enforced within the framework of FOM. If (say) Germany grants German citizenship to 10 million Middle East men in their twenties, surely all other EU states are compelled to allow entry to these people? |
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