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Post by oracle75 on Jun 19, 2023 7:16:02 GMT
I am still waiting to hear how the UK Australian trade deal is going to save the UK noticeable money when the cheap Ozzie beef annd lamb forces farms out of business. I thought this was one of the headline reasons to leave...to avoid being undercut. To be independent and self sufficient. To avoid glooding the market with cheap goods. Course it was always a stupid argument. The UK had the option to trade with over 80 countries and more. Since profit is the DNA of capitalism, supplies will always be the cheapest. Including transport costs. However i am dying to know how a deal worth .08% of UK gdp is going to lower prices in the UK,, eh Bubbles? I never said anything about the Aussie meat trade yet would expect us to sell food produce there though maybe more processed food. I was in fact speaking to Bucaneer Bubbles who said the trade agreement with australia will lower prices. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 19, 2023 7:18:51 GMT
Dont be obtuse. You know what i mean. Dont dare to tell me what a democracy is. The entire EU is affected by the millions of migrants who enter illegally. It is an EU issue and always has been. You used to have a way of sharing your growing problem. You voted to be out of it.
If the EU does as it did for the UK, it will accept opt outs for those countries which object. Sharing my arse - the UK was a dumping ground for the EU's unwanted asylum seekers. Is that why since Brexit, the number of boat people has exploded? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 19, 2023 7:22:02 GMT
I never said anything about the Aussie meat trade yet would expect us to sell food produce there though maybe more processed food. I was in fact speaking to Bucaneer Bubbles who said the trade agreement with australia will lower prices. Next time you're addressing me then, use my user name Kim. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 19, 2023 7:22:20 GMT
The 4 % was your definition of democracy in the ref. Now prove that your definition of democracy, 100% assent, is the situation in Poland and Hungary.
Right now both of them are far more concerned about Russia's invasion than anyone else's. no it is not - there is no majority support in either country for this policy which is being imposed on them undemocratically. Democracy is the will of the majority. I refuse to waste time on this puerile discussion, the facts of which you know anyway. Stop wriggling. Accoeding to you, 50% +1 is a democratic will. You have no idea what the numbers are in Poland and Hungary. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 19, 2023 7:24:08 GMT
I was in fact speaking to Bucaneer Bubbles who said the trade agreement with australia will lower prices. Next time you're addressing me then, use my user name Kim. 😂😂 You've got a fecking nerve. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 19, 2023 7:31:42 GMT
At least you saw the funny side.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 19, 2023 7:49:05 GMT
no it is not - there is no majority support in either country for this policy which is being imposed on them undemocratically. Democracy is the will of the majority. I refuse to waste time on this puerile discussion, the facts of which you know anyway. Stop wriggling. Accoeding to you, 50% +1 is a democratic will. You have no idea what the numbers are in Poland and Hungary. Well we will soon see how democratic the EU is - will they allow Poland a referendum on the issue and will they pledge to abide by the will of the majority? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 19, 2023 8:00:38 GMT
UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand kick in Move called ‘historic’ but agreement with Australia forecast to raise Britain’s GDP by only 0.08% by 2035 Joanna Partridge Wed 31 May 2023 03.43 EDT Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email The UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force, a moment lauded by the government as “historic” despite critics arguing they give away “far too much for far too little”. The trade agreements – the first of those negotiated after Britain’s EU exit to enter into force – come after George Eustice, who was the environment secretary when the UK-Australia trade pact was struck in December 2021, admitted it was “not actually a very good deal” for Britain. More than 99% of Australia’s exports to UK now duty free under trade deal The government’s own calculations estimate that the deal will have a negligible long-term contribution to the British economy, forecasting it will increase UK GDP by only 0.08%, or £2.3bn a year, by 2035. The entiree population of the UK and Australia know this. Why dont you? It has been in force for three weeks. I see no Aaustralian ships or planess lining up to transport British pork pies and Marmite. HOWEVER Special shipments of British goods such as signed Beano comics will be among the first to be sent under the new arrangements. 😂🤣🤣😂 You said it hasn't even been in force yet, which shows your usual utter ignorance. And as Pacifico has already pointed out, only a Europhile would hail cheaper costs for UK consumers as a loss. Enjoy, being artificially ripped off for your consumption of goods. Noa please justify your conment, Bubbles, that the Australian deal, the context in which you wrote your comment, ensures cheaper costs for the British consumer. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 19, 2023 9:17:42 GMT
Heseltine is a fool and the best advert for binning the House of Lords,bound to fail? Well people like the old fool Heseltine,the has been son of a circus act and the slime ball Blair along with the civil service and the majority of both major parties have done their best to scupper it. Heseltine was an MP and even cabinet minister in the Thatcher govt and even argued with her about the EU so nothing to see there, the Leopard has not changed its spots. Exactly, he challenged her for the leadership of the Conservative Party when she wouldn't support the creation of the EU via the Maastricht Treaty. The man is scum. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 11:24:32 GMT
Yes, the population of Birmingham is paper thin, what?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 13:27:02 GMT
Democracy is the will of the majority. I refuse to waste time on this puerile discussion, the facts of which you know anyway. Stop wriggling. Accoeding to you, 50% +1 is a democratic will. You have no idea what the numbers are in Poland and Hungary. Well we will soon see how democratic the EU is - will they allow Poland a referendum on the issue and will they pledge to abide by the will of the majority? IMO, it is not a test of how democratic the EU is -- the EU's democratic legitimacy has long been established -- but a test of Poland's commitment to the agreement they democratically signed when they joined the European Union. If they can't abide by that agreement they signed when they acceded to the EU, then they should not be in the EU. They should take it upon themselves to leave and forfeit all the benefits of being in the EU. Just like the UK. After all, Poland can probably go it alone now without the financial aide from the other 26 EU countries. And they should take Hungary with them, as well. The EU will most probably plead with them to stay but ultimately it is Poland's decision whether to stay and follow EU-wide rules or leave and follow their own rules. Or go back to the Russian fold. The question in my head, though, is why isn't Brussels not working towards kicking Poland and Hungary out of the European Union. Probably because they need Poland as a buffer against Russian imperialism? |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 19, 2023 14:02:42 GMT
Out of all the EU states Poland has received the most EU money so guess some in the EU would be annoyed if they went.
With Hungary also being on the fringes it does raise the prospect of a Visegrad Union as a potential alternative.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 19, 2023 17:09:35 GMT
Sharing my arse - the UK was a dumping ground for the EU's unwanted asylum seekers. Is that why since Brexit, the number of boat people has exploded? Giving the EU the opportunity to dump their unwanted migrants on us would not improve the situation would it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 19, 2023 17:11:06 GMT
Well we will soon see how democratic the EU is - will they allow Poland a referendum on the issue and will they pledge to abide by the will of the majority? IMO, it is not a test of how democratic the EU is -- the EU's democratic legitimacy has long been established..By who? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 19, 2023 20:48:12 GMT
IMO, it is not a test of how democratic the EU is -- the EU's democratic legitimacy has long been established..By who? Anyonw who is honest, knows what they are talking about and has two brain cells to rub together. |
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