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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 17:09:38 GMT
If you think that forcing a policy on the people of a country without their consent is democratic then can I suggest you need a new dictionary. If you think 2 dissenters out of 27 isnt democracy, what do you call 52% of the whole? The EU is not a democracy - how can it be if it can force a policy on a member state against the will of the people of that member state? If you cannot get the approval of the people then ignoring that choice and forcing the policy on them is about the least democratic thing you can do. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 17:11:00 GMT
Democracy does not mean free-for-all. Everybody knows it. It certainly doesnt mean 100% agreement or compliance. Apparentlty in the UK, 4% majority is democratic. 2 countries out of 27 is more than 10%. Why is that not democratic? A 4% majority of the people - there is no majority in Poland or Hungary for this policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 17:13:44 GMT
Reesmug must be hissing "50 years! Give the bloody thing 50 years!" --------------------------------- www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-was-bound-to-fail-and-has-we-must-now-return-to-the-centre-of-europe-lord-heseltine-says/ar-AA1cHsuc?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1cd8b90af34843388abffc8c312c5f78&ei=9
Brexit was bound to fail and has - we must now return to the centre of Europe, Lord Heseltine says
The Tory grandee accused political leaders of hiding from the damage being caused by the UK leaving the EU. The former deputy prime minister under John Major said the time has come “for the British people to be told the truth”. In a damning indictment of Brexit, Lord Heseltine said the project was “bound to fail” from the outset. “The Brexit case from the outset was never based on reasoned arguments or detailed policies,” he said. “The diet was one of slogans interwoven with the familiar targets of the mob: the civil service, foreigners, immigrants, [and] Brussels. “The time to recreate our position at the centre of Europe has arrived.”
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Post by bancroft on Jun 18, 2023 18:17:57 GMT
I am still waiting to hear how the UK Australian trade deal is going to save the UK noticeable money when the cheap Ozzie beef annd lamb forces farms out of business. I thought this was one of the headline reasons to leave...to avoid being undercut. To be independent and self sufficient. To avoid glooding the market with cheap goods. Course it was always a stupid argument. The UK had the option to trade with over 80 countries and more. Since profit is the DNA of capitalism, supplies will always be the cheapest. Including transport costs. However i am dying to know how a deal worth .08% of UK gdp is going to lower prices in the UK,, eh Bubbles? I never said anything about the Aussie meat trade yet would expect us to sell food produce there though maybe more processed food. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 18, 2023 18:28:16 GMT
Reesmug must be hissing "50 years! Give the bloody thing 50 years!" --------------------------------- www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-was-bound-to-fail-and-has-we-must-now-return-to-the-centre-of-europe-lord-heseltine-says/ar-AA1cHsuc?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1cd8b90af34843388abffc8c312c5f78&ei=9
Brexit was bound to fail and has - we must now return to the centre of Europe, Lord Heseltine says
The Tory grandee accused political leaders of hiding from the damage being caused by the UK leaving the EU. The former deputy prime minister under John Major said the time has come “for the British people to be told the truth”. In a damning indictment of Brexit, Lord Heseltine said the project was “bound to fail” from the outset. “The Brexit case from the outset was never based on reasoned arguments or detailed policies,” he said. “The diet was one of slogans interwoven with the familiar targets of the mob: the civil service, foreigners, immigrants, [and] Brussels. “The time to recreate our position at the centre of Europe has arrived.”
Heseltine is a fool and the best advert for binning the House of Lords,bound to fail? Well people like the old fool Heseltine,the has been son of a circus act and the slime ball Blair along with the civil service and the majority of both major parties have done their best to scupper it. Democrats one and all? No more like a comedy club without the laughs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 19:44:50 GMT
Reesmug must be hissing "50 years! Give the bloody thing 50 years!" --------------------------------- www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-was-bound-to-fail-and-has-we-must-now-return-to-the-centre-of-europe-lord-heseltine-says/ar-AA1cHsuc?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1cd8b90af34843388abffc8c312c5f78&ei=9
Brexit was bound to fail and has - we must now return to the centre of Europe, Lord Heseltine says
The Tory grandee accused political leaders of hiding from the damage being caused by the UK leaving the EU. The former deputy prime minister under John Major said the time has come “for the British people to be told the truth”. In a damning indictment of Brexit, Lord Heseltine said the project was “bound to fail” from the outset. “The Brexit case from the outset was never based on reasoned arguments or detailed policies,” he said. “The diet was one of slogans interwoven with the familiar targets of the mob: the civil service, foreigners, immigrants, [and] Brussels. “The time to recreate our position at the centre of Europe has arrived.”
Heseltine is a fool and the best advert for binning the House of Lords,bound to fail? Well people like the old fool Heseltine,the has been son of a circus act and the slime ball Blair along with the civil service and the majority of both major parties have done their best to scupper it. Democrats one and all? No more like a comedy club without the laughs. He's also a 90 years old irrelevant crusty who will soon be leaving the planet. Why should we take notice of him as one voter compared to the 1,269,501 leave majority? And on it goes. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 20:09:00 GMT
It certainly doesnt mean 100% agreement or compliance. Apparentlty in the UK, 4% majority is democratic. 2 countries out of 27 is more than 10%. Why is that not democratic? A 4% majority of the people - there is no majority in Poland or Hungary for this policy. Dont be obtuse. You know what i mean. Dont dare to tell me what a democracy is. The entire EU is affected by the millions of migrants who enter illegally. It is an EU issue and always has been. You used to have a way of sharing your growing problem. You voted to be out of it. If the EU does as it did for the UK, it will accept opt outs for those countries which object. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 20:12:53 GMT
It certainly doesnt mean 100% agreement or compliance. Apparentlty in the UK, 4% majority is democratic. 2 countries out of 27 is more than 10%. Why is that not democratic? A 4% majority of the people - there is no majority in Poland or Hungary for this policy. The 4 % was your definition of democracy in the ref. Now prove that your definition of democracy, 100% assent, is the situation in Poland and Hungary. Right now both of them are far more concerned about Russia's invasion than anyone else's. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 20:15:21 GMT
Heseltine is a fool and the best advert for binning the House of Lords,bound to fail? Well people like the old fool Heseltine,the has been son of a circus act and the slime ball Blair along with the civil service and the majority of both major parties have done their best to scupper it. Democrats one and all? No more like a comedy club without the laughs. He's also a 90 years old irrelevant crusty who will soon be leaving the planet. Why should we take notice of him as one voter compared to the 1,269,501 leave majority? And on it goes. Maybe because he was strong enough to bring Thatcher down and still speaks more sense and experience than you will ever do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 20:17:23 GMT
He's also a 90 years old irrelevant crusty who will soon be leaving the planet. Why should we take notice of him as one voter compared to the 1,269,501 leave majority? And on it goes. Maybe because he was strong enough to bring Thatcher down and still speaks more sense and experience than you will ever do. Why, thank you for your kind words.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 21:17:33 GMT
A 4% majority of the people - there is no majority in Poland or Hungary for this policy. Dont be obtuse. You know what i mean. Dont dare to tell me what a democracy is. The entire EU is affected by the millions of migrants who enter illegally. It is an EU issue and always has been. You used to have a way of sharing your growing problem. You voted to be out of it.
If the EU does as it did for the UK, it will accept opt outs for those countries which object. Sharing my arse - the UK was a dumping ground for the EU's unwanted asylum seekers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 21:19:09 GMT
A 4% majority of the people - there is no majority in Poland or Hungary for this policy. The 4 % was your definition of democracy in the ref. Now prove that your definition of democracy, 100% assent, is the situation in Poland and Hungary.
Right now both of them are far more concerned about Russia's invasion than anyone else's. no it is not - there is no majority support in either country for this policy which is being imposed on them undemocratically. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 18, 2023 21:28:01 GMT
Heseltine is a fool and the best advert for binning the House of Lords,bound to fail? Well people like the old fool Heseltine,the has been son of a circus act and the slime ball Blair along with the civil service and the majority of both major parties have done their best to scupper it. Heseltine was an MP and even cabinet minister in the Thatcher govt and even argued with her about the EU so nothing to see there, the Leopard has not changed its spots. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 18, 2023 23:20:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 6:26:12 GMT
Heseltine is a fool and the best advert for binning the House of Lords,bound to fail? Well people like the old fool Heseltine,the has been son of a circus act and the slime ball Blair along with the civil service and the majority of both major parties have done their best to scupper it. Democrats one and all? No more like a comedy club without the laughs. He's also a 90 years old irrelevant crusty who will soon be leaving the planet. Why should we take notice of him as one voter compared to the 1,269,501 leave majority? And on it goes. Because the man is full of wisdom and sense, that's why. Unlike the gaslighting mob you and the paper thin majority who listened to seven years ago. |
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