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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 6:43:46 GMT
Now we can kick out those in charge. Another constant lie. Dont be daft The EU proved last week how undemocratic it was when it imposed the Migration protocol against the will of the people of Poland and Hungary. The EU is now going to dump tens of thousands of illegal migrants on those countries or fine them if they refuse to take them - all against the wishes of the people and freely elected governments of those nations. Democracy? - the EU cannot spell the word. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 18, 2023 7:06:14 GMT
The UK, the United States, Germany or Canada can only dream of the levels of economic growth as seen in China, India, Brazil and other fast developing economies. But you miss the point entirely, the EU is still our most important trading partner, and will remain so for the forseeable future. How about I reverse the question : If joining the Single Market makes doing business, and doing trade more easily, then WHY NOT join the Single Market. ? We're selling more to the EU, and to the rest of the world than we did as members of the EU. We don't need to go back in. And it would reimpose unnecessary freedom of movement. Economic migration based on ethnicity rather than capability. If you have the 'right' passport, you're given more rights than a skilled migrant who isn't from the EU. Visa based immigration is fairer. It's open to all nationalities on the basis of their skills. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 8:09:58 GMT
Dont be daft The EU proved last week how undemocratic it was when it imposed the Migration protocol against the will of the people of Poland and Hungary. The EU is now going to dump tens of thousands of illegal migrants on those countries or fine them if they refuse to take them - all against the wishes of the people and freely elected governments of those nations. Democracy? - the EU cannot spell the word. Democracy is the will of the majority, not universal agreement. If your definition were right, the UK would still be in the EU. Has anyone asked the people of Rwanda whether they want to take the UK's castoffs, permanently? Just stop posting kneejerk anything you hope will fly and think things through. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 8:39:46 GMT
There is an insurmountable problem -- a deal breaker, really -- with the EU Single Market as far as Brexit supporters are concerned: Freedom of Movement of People. Unfortunately, that is fundamental to the existence of the Single Market. And in total conflict with the fundamentals of Brexit. Not even that. The costs of SM membership and the burden of regulations outweigh the alleged economic benefits of joining. The SM is not the panacea to the UK's economy. Quantify it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 8:41:50 GMT
Dont be daft The EU proved last week how undemocratic it was when it imposed the Migration protocol against the will of the people of Poland and Hungary. The EU is now going to dump tens of thousands of illegal migrants on those countries or fine them if they refuse to take them - all against the wishes of the people and freely elected governments of those nations. Democracy? - the EU cannot spell the word. Democracy does not mean free-for-all. Everybody knows it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 10:37:05 GMT
Dont be daft The EU proved last week how undemocratic it was when it imposed the Migration protocol against the will of the people of Poland and Hungary. The EU is now going to dump tens of thousands of illegal migrants on those countries or fine them if they refuse to take them - all against the wishes of the people and freely elected governments of those nations. Democracy? - the EU cannot spell the word. Democracy is the will of the majority, not universal agreement. If your definition were right, the UK would still be in the EU. Has anyone asked the people of Rwanda whether they want to take the UK's castoffs, permanently? Just stop posting kneejerk anything you hope will fly and think things through. If you think that forcing a policy on the people of a country without their consent is democratic then can I suggest you need a new dictionary. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 18, 2023 10:41:47 GMT
Dont be daft The EU proved last week how undemocratic it was when it imposed the Migration protocol against the will of the people of Poland and Hungary. The EU is now going to dump tens of thousands of illegal migrants on those countries or fine them if they refuse to take them - all against the wishes of the people and freely elected governments of those nations. Democracy? - the EU cannot spell the word. Democracy does not mean free-for-all. Everybody knows it. We have fought wars before due to not allowing the people a say....  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 18, 2023 10:57:04 GMT
Not even that. The costs of SM membership and the burden of regulations outweigh the alleged economic benefits of joining. The SM is not the panacea to the UK's economy. The UK is still paying into the EU and will do every time it is allowed to have one of those cherries you so love to pick. www.bbc.com/news/51110096Irrelevant. This has nothing to do with being in the SM. Try and stay on topic. Also, this is one of the reasons the UK got those trade deals rolled over you've always whinged about. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 18, 2023 10:59:40 GMT
You said it hasn't even been in force yet, which shows your usual utter ignorance. And as Pacifico has already pointed out, only a Europhile would hail cheaper costs for UK consumers as a loss. Enjoy, being artificially ripped off for your consumption of goods. It hasnt come into force means there is no evidence of any effects it might have in the three weeks it opened. As usual ot is all guesswork and crossed fingers. Take another look in five years. It came into force, means it came into force. What you meant is that there hasn't been enough time to analyse the trade between the nations. Please stop trying to cover up your glaring mistakes with more BS draped over your previous rubbish. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 18, 2023 11:29:32 GMT
But if the EU is of declining importance (and we already have a free trade deal with them) what would be the point of joining the SM if it made no difference to the amount of trade carried out?. Joining the SM comes at a cost - if you cannot identify any benefits for that extra cost then what is the point?. There is no point in joining except for the crowd that has or wants property in Europe and a small group probably of richer kids that see European further education as attractive. In both cases this is the rich crowd not Mr. and Mrs Smith with 2.1 kids going to Comprehensive schools. The other point is a lot of business has gone, international financial services has moved their European operations. Niche food makers could expand again and also maybe car parts producers though the latter is questionable. We would still be expected to pay a hefty fee coming mainly from the England tax payer that does not have tax payer funded education. Why would we want to with the WEF agenda sweeping through European farming which would be another major controversial fight here, lets see how that plays out on the Continent and Ireland. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 11:52:47 GMT
Democracy does not mean free-for-all. Everybody knows it. We have fought wars before due to not allowing the people a say.... Yes. And that's another argument by exception. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 18, 2023 12:06:28 GMT
No democratic mandate to go backwards whatsoever. We'd be without the ability to negotiate our own free trade agreements, we'd be hostage to stupid EU policies, again.
And we'd be expected to contribute a fortune to the absurdly bloated EU budget.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 13:18:18 GMT
Democracy is the will of the majority, not universal agreement. If your definition were right, the UK would still be in the EU. Has anyone asked the people of Rwanda whether they want to take the UK's castoffs, permanently? Just stop posting kneejerk anything you hope will fly and think things through. If you think that forcing a policy on the people of a country without their consent is democratic then can I suggest you need a new dictionary. If you think 2 dissenters out of 27 isnt democracy, what do you call 52% of the whole? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 13:32:20 GMT
But if the EU is of declining importance (and we already have a free trade deal with them) what would be the point of joining the SM if it made no difference to the amount of trade carried out?. Joining the SM comes at a cost - if you cannot identify any benefits for that extra cost then what is the point?. There is no point in joining except for the crowd that has or wants property in Europe and a small group probably of richer kids that see European further education as attractive. In both cases this is the rich crowd not Mr. and Mrs Smith with 2.1 kids going to Comprehensive schools. The other point is a lot of business has gone, international financial services has moved their European operations. Niche food makers could expand again and also maybe car parts producers though the latter is questionable. We would still be expected to pay a hefty fee coming mainly from the England tax payer that does not have tax payer funded education. Why would we want to with the WEF agenda sweeping through European farming which would be another major controversial fight here, lets see how that plays out on the Continent and Ireland. I am still waiting to hear how the UK Australian trade deal is going to save the UK noticeable money when the cheap Ozzie beef annd lamb forces farms out of business. I thought this was one of the headline reasons to leave...to avoid being undercut. To be independent and self sufficient. To avoid glooding the market with cheap goods. Course it was always a stupid argument. The UK had the option to trade with over 80 countries and more. Since profit is the DNA of capitalism, supplies will always be the cheapest. Including transport costs. However i am dying to know how a deal worth .08% of UK gdp is going to lower prices in the UK,, eh Bubbles? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 13:36:55 GMT
Dont be daft The EU proved last week how undemocratic it was when it imposed the Migration protocol against the will of the people of Poland and Hungary. The EU is now going to dump tens of thousands of illegal migrants on those countries or fine them if they refuse to take them - all against the wishes of the people and freely elected governments of those nations. Democracy? - the EU cannot spell the word. Democracy does not mean free-for-all. Everybody knows it. It certainly doesnt mean 100% agreement or compliance. Apparentlty in the UK, 4% majority is democratic. 2 countries out of 27 is more than 10%. Why is that not democratic? |
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