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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 17:08:08 GMT
The UK, the United States, Germany or Canada can only dream of the levels of economic growth as seen in China, India, Brazil and other fast developing economies.
But you miss the point entirely, the EU is still our most important trading partner, and will remain so for the forseeable future.
How about I reverse the question : If joining the Single Market makes doing business, and doing trade more easily, then WHY NOT join the Single Market. ?
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Post by bancroft on Jun 17, 2023 17:16:43 GMT
It is funny apart from Boris's group no-one else said we would be better off just that we would be more sovereign.
That is how it seems to me.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 17, 2023 17:23:46 GMT
But if the EU is of declining importance (and we already have a free trade deal with them) what would be the point of joining the SM if it made no difference to the amount of trade carried out?.
Joining the SM comes at a cost - if you cannot identify any benefits for that extra cost then what is the point?.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 17, 2023 18:31:51 GMT
But if the EU is of declining importance (and we already have a free trade deal with them) what would be the point of joining the SM if it made no difference to the amount of trade carried out?. Joining the SM comes at a cost - if you cannot identify any benefits for that extra cost then what is the point?. So what benefits of leaving the EU is worth the sluggish economy, rising immigration, filthy water, highest inflation in Europe, financially depleted treasury, unhappy public sector employees and multi0le prime ministers including the leader of the charge, a thoroughly inept liar who orchestrated the whole sorry affair. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 19:18:16 GMT
"Why would Australia be laughing at the UK when all UK exports are tariff free?" Australia is laughing at us because they know they won't be importing anything from the UK. Tariff-free they may be, but Australian businesses aren't importing English sausages. They're just exporting to the UK. Tariff-free, of course.  You don't know what the UK exports clearly. Cars, machinery, pharmaceuticals, services and digital tech. In fact Gnomey, the UK exports more to Australia than the other way round. Australia's top export to the UK is gold - no doubt you will whinge about the standard of Aus Gold soon after you've read a headline somewhere about it. But let's hope, Australia's exports of agri-food pick-up so UK consumers can have top quality products at a reasonable price, compared with the Irish beef the EU exports "tariff free, of course". You asked why Australians would be laughing at us. I replied that they are (already) laughing at us because they know they won't be importing anything from the UK. Won't be buying English sausages. You should tell them -- not me -- that the UK has a trade surplus with Australia. Then let us know if they're still laughing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 19:39:26 GMT
The UK, the United States, Germany or Canada can only dream of the levels of economic growth as seen in China, India, Brazil and other fast developing economies. But you miss the point entirely, the EU is still our most important trading partner, and will remain so for the forseeable future. How about I reverse the question : If joining the Single Market makes doing business, and doing trade more easily, then WHY NOT join the Single Market. ? There is an insurmountable problem -- a deal breaker, really -- with the EU Single Market as far as Brexit supporters are concerned: Freedom of Movement of People. Unfortunately, that is fundamental to the existence of the Single Market. And in total conflict with the fundamentals of Brexit. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 17, 2023 21:31:22 GMT
But if the EU is of declining importance (and we already have a free trade deal with them) what would be the point of joining the SM if it made no difference to the amount of trade carried out?. Joining the SM comes at a cost - if you cannot identify any benefits for that extra cost then what is the point?. So what benefits of leaving the EU is worth the sluggish economy, rising immigration, filthy water, highest inflation in Europe, financially depleted treasury, unhappy public sector employees and multi0le prime ministers including the leader of the charge, a thoroughly inept liar who orchestrated the whole sorry affair. Now we can kick out those in charge. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 1:20:04 GMT
So what benefits of leaving the EU is worth the sluggish economy, rising immigration, filthy water, highest inflation in Europe, financially depleted treasury, unhappy public sector employees and multi0le prime ministers including the leader of the charge, a thoroughly inept liar who orchestrated the whole sorry affair. Now we can kick out those in charge. Another constant lie.especially since a large majority of Brits want an election and have to wait. And when the British people got lumbered by a tiny handful of Tory donors for their Party leader. Those in charge of the UK are the cabinet from which all legislation emanates. They are in situ for a nominal 5 years, unelected to the position by the public. In fact under UK law cabinet members do not have to have run for office. In the EU as i have pointed out now enough times for a child to understand, those in charge are the elected Council and the elected Parliament. Nothing can become law without their approval. The former is elected according to national constitutions. The latter is rerun every five years. The third body, the horrific Commission you dont understand, can be withdrawn singly by the elected nation they were appointed from or disbanded by a vote in Parliament. It has happened once already. And since it cannot vote on any legislative proposals, whereas the British cabinet can and also lobbies for votes, have you ever had a voice in dismissing a cabinet member? Or does the government bend the rules to excess in order to protect them, whereas you have no say. So if you had a shred of factual truth in this incessant charade of accountability, look to your own. Now please tell me who is unable to be recalled or replaced.in the UK. Bearing in mind that appointed high court and supreme court judges cannot be replaced by any public voice, as are UN and national representatives, the head and high ups of the civil service, the school inspectorate, head honcho of the NHS and the UK's representaties in the WTO, not to mention NATO or the armed forces. Nor those who work under the official secrets act developing military and biological advances. So dont tell me about the power of the public to replace influential people you probably dont even know the names of. SO STOP THIS 7 YEAR OLD INCESSANT PATHETIC LIE. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 1:40:37 GMT
The UK, the United States, Germany or Canada can only dream of the levels of economic growth as seen in China, India, Brazil and other fast developing economies. But you miss the point entirely, the EU is still our most important trading partner, and will remain so for the forseeable future. How about I reverse the question : If joining the Single Market makes doing business, and doing trade more easily, then WHY NOT join the Single Market. ? There is an insurmountable problem -- a deal breaker, really -- with the EU Single Market as far as Brexit supporters are concerned: Freedom of Movement of People. Unfortunately, that is fundamental to the existence of the Single Market. And in total conflict with the fundamentals of Brexit. Yet 6 years on the two major parties in the UK are promising YET MORE TALKS with the EU in order to once again cherry pock r4entry into the bits they like. While immigration (freedom of movement) has gone up substantially and the capacity to process applicsnts for legal asylum iss a growing disgrace. The SM also contained freedom to cross borders without cumbersome paperwoek, freedom to share data and cross continental police information,, border control via Frontex, equality of qualifications. It ensures free movement of services and of capital, which is why Brits abroad can no longer hold Uk bank accounts. The most important aspect is freedom of exchange of data and development. Course it isnt in the daily rags called newspapers in the UK so most people wouldnt know anything about it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 18, 2023 1:41:09 GMT
UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand kick in Move called ‘historic’ but agreement with Australia forecast to raise Britain’s GDP by only 0.08% by 2035 Joanna Partridge Wed 31 May 2023 03.43 EDT Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email The UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force, a moment lauded by the government as “historic” despite critics arguing they give away “far too much for far too little”. The trade agreements – the first of those negotiated after Britain’s EU exit to enter into force – come after George Eustice, who was the environment secretary when the UK-Australia trade pact was struck in December 2021, admitted it was “not actually a very good deal” for Britain. More than 99% of Australia’s exports to UK now duty free under trade deal The government’s own calculations estimate that the deal will have a negligible long-term contribution to the British economy, forecasting it will increase UK GDP by only 0.08%, or £2.3bn a year, by 2035. The entiree population of the UK and Australia know this. Why dont you? It has been in force for three weeks. I see no Aaustralian ships or planess lining up to transport British pork pies and Marmite. HOWEVER Special shipments of British goods such as signed Beano comics will be among the first to be sent under the new arrangements. 😂🤣🤣😂 You said it hasn't even been in force yet, which shows your usual utter ignorance. And as Pacifico has already pointed out, only a Europhile would hail cheaper costs for UK consumers as a loss. Enjoy, being artificially ripped off for your consumption of goods. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 18, 2023 1:47:00 GMT
The UK, the United States, Germany or Canada can only dream of the levels of economic growth as seen in China, India, Brazil and other fast developing economies. But you miss the point entirely, the EU is still our most important trading partner, and will remain so for the forseeable future. How about I reverse the question : If joining the Single Market makes doing business, and doing trade more easily, then WHY NOT join the Single Market. ? There is an insurmountable problem -- a deal breaker, really -- with the EU Single Market as far as Brexit supporters are concerned: Freedom of Movement of People. Unfortunately, that is fundamental to the existence of the Single Market. And in total conflict with the fundamentals of Brexit. Not even that. The costs of SM membership and the burden of regulations outweigh the alleged economic benefits of joining. The SM is not the panacea to the UK's economy. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 18, 2023 2:08:30 GMT
The problem with forums is, people dont read back. Go back to the second post in this thread, and read it.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 6:16:00 GMT
UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand kick in Move called ‘historic’ but agreement with Australia forecast to raise Britain’s GDP by only 0.08% by 2035 Joanna Partridge Wed 31 May 2023 03.43 EDT Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email The UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force, a moment lauded by the government as “historic” despite critics arguing they give away “far too much for far too little”. The trade agreements – the first of those negotiated after Britain’s EU exit to enter into force – come after George Eustice, who was the environment secretary when the UK-Australia trade pact was struck in December 2021, admitted it was “not actually a very good deal” for Britain. More than 99% of Australia’s exports to UK now duty free under trade deal The government’s own calculations estimate that the deal will have a negligible long-term contribution to the British economy, forecasting it will increase UK GDP by only 0.08%, or £2.3bn a year, by 2035. The entiree population of the UK and Australia know this. Why dont you? It has been in force for three weeks. I see no Aaustralian ships or planess lining up to transport British pork pies and Marmite. HOWEVER Special shipments of British goods such as signed Beano comics will be among the first to be sent under the new arrangements. 😂🤣🤣😂 You said it hasn't even been in force yet, which shows your usual utter ignorance. And as Pacifico has already pointed out, only a Europhile would hail cheaper costs for UK consumers as a loss. Enjoy, being artificially ripped off for your consumption of goods. What cheaper costs??? Please give examples. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 6:23:58 GMT
There is an insurmountable problem -- a deal breaker, really -- with the EU Single Market as far as Brexit supporters are concerned: Freedom of Movement of People. Unfortunately, that is fundamental to the existence of the Single Market. And in total conflict with the fundamentals of Brexit. Not even that. The costs of SM membership and the burden of regulations outweigh the alleged economic benefits of joining. The SM is not the panacea to the UK's economy. The UK is still paying into the EU and will do every time it is allowed to have one of those cherries you so love to pick. www.bbc.com/news/51110096 |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 18, 2023 6:37:44 GMT
UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand kick in Move called ‘historic’ but agreement with Australia forecast to raise Britain’s GDP by only 0.08% by 2035 Joanna Partridge Wed 31 May 2023 03.43 EDT Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email The UK’s post-Brexit trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force, a moment lauded by the government as “historic” despite critics arguing they give away “far too much for far too little”. The trade agreements – the first of those negotiated after Britain’s EU exit to enter into force – come after George Eustice, who was the environment secretary when the UK-Australia trade pact was struck in December 2021, admitted it was “not actually a very good deal” for Britain. More than 99% of Australia’s exports to UK now duty free under trade deal The government’s own calculations estimate that the deal will have a negligible long-term contribution to the British economy, forecasting it will increase UK GDP by only 0.08%, or £2.3bn a year, by 2035. The entiree population of the UK and Australia know this. Why dont you? It has been in force for three weeks. I see no Aaustralian ships or planess lining up to transport British pork pies and Marmite. HOWEVER Special shipments of British goods such as signed Beano comics will be among the first to be sent under the new arrangements. 😂🤣🤣😂 You said it hasn't even been in force yet, which shows your usual utter ignorance. And as Pacifico has already pointed out, only a Europhile would hail cheaper costs for UK consumers as a loss. Enjoy, being artificially ripped off for your consumption of goods. It hasnt come into force means there is no evidence of any effects it might have in the three weeks it opened. As usual ot is all guesswork and crossed fingers. Take another look in five years. |
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