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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 9:57:56 GMT
Pacifico So what is the problem with the seasonal worker visa?
Why do you the crop field's lay unpicked because no one wants seasonal work any more that includes the British
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2022 11:34:22 GMT
Pacifico So what is the problem with the seasonal worker visa? Why do you the crop field's lay unpicked because no one wants seasonal work any more that includes the British So how will joining the EU solve that? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 13:11:08 GMT
Well the crops seemed to off got picked when we was a member of the EU.
Thats self evident think the Agricultural industry was the biggest employees of EU migrants not just picking the crops but packing and processing. .
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Post by sword on Nov 6, 2022 13:42:46 GMT
Lol so you refuse to read my factual post by the farmers who you said were getting a better deal You should know by now refusing to read links by other posters is the default position of vinny if they are inconvenient. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 6, 2022 15:44:16 GMT
It is no good squabbling over details when the whole economy is in a mess. This weekend nurses will vote to go on strike because of lack of investment and personnel. Farming is less productive because of lack of personnel. Lack of investment in UK industry and the difficulties of extra paperwork has dragged down much of the potential for growth. These are some of the issues that are meaningful to the future of the country, not the failure of those baseless promises made in 2016. Other countries are seen as more stable and with fewer headwinds. They manage to make decisions about the welfare of their economy while inside the EU. And they seem to be doing it more successfully than the UK. The number of people now beginning to realise the longterm effects of Brexit and the number of false promises and lies they were fed, are now seeing the real drop in their welfare unheard of before Brexit. Much of it comes from the extended under investment years before 2016 when it was manageable. Now the UK has an enormous national debt, far too many jobs unfilled and its productivity is falling. The UK attached another anchor to its foot in 2016. The potential for better post Brexit this and that doesn't pay off that debt and the people are having to go without to allow the government to pay off that debt. It isn't enough to say the UK can make its own decisions while the ship is actually sinking. And if Truss is anything to go by,there is a lack of people who can make good decisions. If you want a good example, now the UK has left the EU , water companies feel free to discharge raw sewage into lakes and rivers. This is illegal in the EU. Discussions about pounds and pence don't really indicate the serious long term effects of Brexit. Sorry to upset your applecart but we are far from alone: Does France dump sewage into the sea? The Seine was a sewer and still is; a regal drain of much of the north of France. A large area of the country; nearly 80,000 hectares the inhabitants of the communities along its banks let their effluents drain via its streams and tributaries to the sea. www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/04/swimming-in-sewage-how-can-we-fix-europe-s-smelly-rivers....and they're just examples of a wider problem. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 7, 2022 0:21:47 GMT
It is no good squabbling over details when the whole economy is in a mess. This weekend nurses will vote to go on strike because of lack of investment and personnel. Nothing to do with Brexit. The NHS has always recruited foreigners. One of the nurses at the hospital I was born at, was Jamaican. Then they should pay more, the greedy land owners receive enough subsidies. Like there was "investment" in UK industry when were were in? No, there was industrial decline and abandonment of the UK for cheaper countries where labour costs and taxes were lower. I'm sorry, but how many cars or vans were Ford making in the UK in 2016 ? None. How many cars or vans were Peugeot making in the UK in 2016 ? None. They ditched the UK in 2006 and closed the old Rootes Group Ryton plant. How many chocolate bars were Terrys of York making in the UK in 2016 ? NONE. Cadburys ? They closed the Somerdale - Keynsham plant (originally built by the Fry family) and relocated to Poland. Membership of the EEC was supposed to boost our manufacturing, but it, and the EU after it royally fucked us over. Leaving is not a magic bullet, but it's a fucking good start. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2022 15:50:39 GMT
Independent policies, independent free trade agreements, better agricultural policy, independent fisheries policy, the means to ban super trawlers. And it's bizarre that someone who boasts of being left wing would support the EU. The EU buildings in Brussels are cathedrals to capitalism, not democracy, not socialism or social democracy, capitalism. Independence 'V' joint cooperation. Even independence is subject to some cooperation whether we like it or not. I would take joint cooperation for everyone's benefit every time. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2022 15:51:51 GMT
Lol so you refuse to read my factual post by the farmers who you said were getting a better deal You should know by now refusing to read links by other posters is the default position of vinny if they are inconvenient. If they are posted from unreliable sources. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2022 15:58:33 GMT
It is no good squabbling over details when the whole economy is in a mess. This weekend nurses will vote to go on strike because of lack of investment and personnel. Nothing to do with Brexit. The NHS has always recruited foreigners. One of the nurses at the hospital I was born at, was Jamaican. Then they should pay more, the greedy land owners receive enough subsidies. Like there was "investment" in UK industry when were were in? No, there was industrial decline and abandonment of the UK for cheaper countries where labour costs and taxes were lower. I'm sorry, but how many cars or vans were Ford making in the UK in 2016 ? None. How many cars or vans were Peugeot making in the UK in 2016 ? None. They ditched the UK in 2006 and closed the old Rootes Group Ryton plant. How many chocolate bars were Terrys of York making in the UK in 2016 ? NONE. Cadburys ? They closed the Somerdale - Keynsham plant (originally built by the Fry family) and relocated to Poland. Membership of the EEC was supposed to boost our manufacturing, but it, and the EU after it royally fucked us over. Leaving is not a magic bullet, but it's a fucking good start. So what was the UK government up to? It seems that Thatcher sold the soul of much of UK engineering off, that didn't help. Most of the UK mass car production collapsed between 1960 and 1971, destroyed because the UK was selling cheap skate cars abroad while Germany was building car plants in different countries. Evidence on another thread. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 7, 2022 17:57:42 GMT
For whoever said this
"Then they should pay more, the greedy land owners receive enough subsidies."
the landowners and those farming the land aren't necessarily the same people and unless things have changed since Brexit, it's the landowners who get the subsidies.
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Post by sword on Nov 7, 2022 20:04:22 GMT
You should know by now refusing to read links by other posters is the default position of vinny if they are inconvenient. If they are posted from unreliable sources. Who decides which are unreliable sources? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 7, 2022 22:09:18 GMT
So what was the UK government up to? It seems that Thatcher sold the soul of much of UK engineering off, that didn't help. Most of the UK mass car production collapsed between 1960 and 1971, destroyed because the UK was selling cheap skate cars abroad while Germany was building car plants in different countries. Evidence on another thread. It was cozying up to bankers and arms dealers whilst forgetting about the rest of the country and using cheap imports instead of local production. Very very short sighted on the part of all of them, Tory and Labour. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2022 23:24:30 GMT
I come from a long line of farmers going back several centuries. How do you think I got interested in guns and shooting ? Yes, some farmers are worse off, no surprise, the CAP was inefficient and rewarded people on the basis of how much land they own. Basically the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. A shit system. Now, wealthy billionaire cunts are grumbling because we've a better agricultural system. Cry me a river. I found the attitude of a Northamptonshire farmer at whose farm I stayed for a few months at the B&B his wife ran to be quite interesting His grandfather was the first owner of the farm having bought out the tenancy. He said he was brought up to farm and raise crops and animals, and to pay and be paid. His opinion on the set aside scheme was quite unprintable, his opinion on schemes to compensate him for losses caused by not cultivating near to field borders and maintaining hedgerows etc less so. In his own words those hedges prevented erosion and reduction of productivity. I’m fairly sure some farmers actually wanted to maintain the arable and animal output their farms had in the past and were a lot more small c conservative than many painted them. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 15, 2022 23:30:27 GMT
part of the Brexit leave campaign was that Britain would save 350 million a week. The Actual figure was 250 million. But did Britain actually save any money after Brexit. The supposed money the leave campaign said we would save was one of the main drivers many people voted leave. So did we save any money or was this a other lie by Brexiteers?
And the Remain campaign said that each household would lose an average of £2200 pa - which is a loss of about £40 billion. The £350 million per week (about £18 billion) claim is inaccurate in that it includes the "Fontainebleu Abatement" (the Rebate) which is about £4 billion pa. So that was about £4 billion wrong. Mind you the EU regularly reviews the rebate and it only ever goes down. So, TTL3, which is the bigger lie - one that exaggerates a figure by £4 billion or one that exaggerates it by £40 billion. The interesting thing is that the BBC attacked the £350 million figure just about every day of the campaign. So there can hardly be many people who weren't aware of the facts. Strangely though the BBC never questioned the massive lie of £2200 pa. So which do you think was more likely to influence the voters. And households did lose that £2,300 just quicker than anyone imagined (remember it was predicted over several years). We devalued by 15% so we got hit by extra inflation in 2017/18. And we're likely to get a second £2,300 per household hit as even the government is starting to admit there is a GDP impact from Brexit |
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