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Post by sheepy on Jun 14, 2023 5:03:11 GMT
It is being reported by GB News (and no one else) that the person of interest being held by the Police is from West Africa and has a known violent background in his home country. The presence of especially trained NILO officers indicate that the authorities believe that this is more than just a case of some poor immigrant chap with mental health issues. The Home Office, Police, BBC and everyone else is tight lipped at the moment, again indicating that this incident is of huge concern with regards to the current policy of uncontrolled immigration with no checks on these new British citizens. The Country is out of control, the Tories, Lib Dems, and Labour all are unified in their drive to cram this country with immigrants, despite the majority of citizens having valid and understandable worries about what is happening. Why are our politicians doing this, genuine question. Mainly because they couldn't give a flying one about what you want, just like every other time this happens, it is all about what they want and their global image, you don't count that much and haven't for a very long time. You just find it hard admitting it. We don't even have a Monarch any longer who has your well being at heart. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 14, 2023 7:30:02 GMT
Now this is very curious.
This is what the Guardian published yesterday at around 15:00 yesterday:
""A witness has told the BBC he saw a young man and young woman being stabbed on Ilkeston Road, close to the junction with Bright Street in Nottingham, at about 4am. The man, who did not give his name, told the broadcaster he heard “awful, bloodcurdling screams” and looked out his window to see a “black guy dressed all in black with a hood and rucksack grappling with some people”.
She was screaming ‘Help!’ I just wish I’d shouted something out of the window to unnerve the assailant. I saw him stab the lad first and then the woman. The lad collapsed in the middle of the road..."
And this is what they published at 07:37 today
"A man who did not give his name told the BBC he had witnessed the two students being attacked with a knife on Ilkeston Road, at about 4am on Tuesday. He reported hearing screams and saw a man “dressed all in black with a hood and rucksack grappling with some people”.
He told the broadcaster: “She was screaming ‘Help!’ I just wish I’d shouted something out of the window to unnerve the assailant. I saw him stab the lad first and then the woman. The lad collapsed in the middle of the road."
The first is no longer on their website. An exercise in damage limitation? Or something else?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 7:38:29 GMT
Now this is very curious. This is what the Guardian published yesterday at around 15:00 yesterday: ""A witness has told the BBC he saw a young man and young woman being stabbed on Ilkeston Road, close to the junction with Bright Street in Nottingham, at about 4am. The man, who did not give his name, told the broadcaster he heard “awful, bloodcurdling screams” and looked out his window to see a “black guy dressed all in black with a hood and rucksack grappling with some people”. She was screaming ‘Help!’ I just wish I’d shouted something out of the window to unnerve the assailant. I saw him stab the lad first and then the woman. The lad collapsed in the middle of the road..." And this is what they published at 07:37 today "A man who did not give his name told the BBC he had witnessed the two students being attacked with a knife on Ilkeston Road, at about 4am on Tuesday. He reported hearing screams and saw a man “dressed all in black with a hood and rucksack grappling with some people”. He told the broadcaster: “She was screaming ‘Help!’ I just wish I’d shouted something out of the window to unnerve the assailant. I saw him stab the lad first and then the woman. The lad collapsed in the middle of the road." The first is no longer on their website. An exercise in damage limitation? Or something else? I'm not surprised that they would edit the facts to support a lie of omission. The media is playing it down purely for Woke political reasons. They cannot be trusted.
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Post by om15 on Jun 14, 2023 7:45:42 GMT
RR, I am puzzled about what is happening, although Labour are good at actually not confirming what they will or won't do, Lammy said yesterday that Labour's priority is to rejoin the EU and others have indicated that they will go for uncontrolled immigration, and yet the polls indicate that a sizeable majority of the electorate intend to vote for this.
This will blow over, anyone who dares to discuss or report this will be labelled a racist, the usual lefties will come on here to give justification for immigrants to attack our citizens and nothing will get done.
The damage being done to our country by successive governments is now irreversible. These people are here to stay and will taking over the country, they have taken over London and other major cities, and if you raise an eyebrow you are racist.
This bloke will be declared to have mental health problems and nothing at all will be done to stop it happening again.
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Post by wapentake on Jun 14, 2023 7:51:16 GMT
It’s almost certain this is not a terrorist incident (though I stand to be corrected) but someone acting with mental health problems.
Immigration issues though concerning and the fact this person may well not be residing here did we have an effective immigration control aside you cannot escape the fact that mental health services in this country are abysmal,incidents where clear warnings are ignored are very frequent and just likely to occur within the indigenous population as without.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 7:57:05 GMT
RR, I am puzzled about what is happening, although Labour are good at actually not confirming what they will or won't do, Lammy said yesterday that Labour's priority is to rejoin the EU and others have indicated that they will go for uncontrolled immigration, and yet the polls indicate that a sizeable majority of the electorate intend to vote for this. This will blow over, anyone who dares to discuss or report this will be labelled a racist, the usual lefties will come on here to give justification for immigrants to attack our citizens and nothing will get done. The damage being done to our country by successive governments is now irreversible. These people are here to stay and will taking over the country, they have taken over London and other major cities, and if you raise an eyebrow you are racist. This bloke will be declared to have mental health problems and nothing at all will be done to stop it happening again. It doesn't bring me joy to say this, but I think you're right. |
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Post by om15 on Jun 14, 2023 8:42:34 GMT
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Post by dappy on Jun 14, 2023 10:16:50 GMT
When major events such as this happen, it is usually best to wait 48 hours to allow the police to establish what has actually happened before wading in.
It is possible that in this case those aching to make political capital out of these tragic deaths may hit their jackpot. This guy might turn out to be a trans muslim asylum seeker who arrived on a boat and who was instructed what to do in writing by a Islamic Terrorist organisation controlled by Sadiq Khan.
Or perhaps more likely this case may only have a few or no such elements. We'll know soon enough.
There are lots of unknowns and mysteries here. Why did the attacker leave his home at 4am and seemingly attack the two students just down the road. What was his intention at the time? If his intentions were to find and kill innocent people, choosing that time seems a very odd choice. What did he do between 0400 and 0530 when he drove a van into more innocent bystanders? If his aim was to kill as many people as possible, that is a long gap between attacks? Why did he travel (walk, car?) a fair way out of town to murder another man and steal his van? Was this man known to him? What was his intentions in stealing the van - his route suggests he was driving back towards his home - why? So many questions for the police to get answers to before we can start to understand what happened.
My guess is that this event will not meet the legal definition of a terrorist incident and hence that the last incident will remain Dover nine months ago and the last fatal one (apart from to himself) being two years ago with the David Amess incident. There does seem to be a bit of an obsession with labels though. Does it really matter whether this incident does make it over or fall short of the legal definition of a terrorist incident. Either way at least two seemingly entirely innocent people have lost their lives for no greater sin than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tragic.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 14, 2023 10:26:14 GMT
Below is a list of 15 shocking examples of crimes committed between 2016 and 2021 by those who should not have been here at all or who should have been detained or removed following violent incidents:
1. “Officials missed six chances to kick illegal immigrant Hani Khalaf out of Britain before he murdered a carer. The 22-year-old Egyptian bludgeoned Jairo Medina, 62, to death in London’s Hyde Park in August 2016 for his mobile phone and a few pounds. Khalaf was free to live in the UK despite falsely claiming to be a Syrian refugee when he arrived in Kent two years earlier hidden in a lorry. The career criminal had previously been arrested at least six times for theft and fraud, but was released rather than deported as he repeatedly lied about his identity. In 2017, Khalaf was sentenced to a minimum of 26 years in jail for murder as a judge suggested that his case should prompt a review of the law.Judge Wendy Joseph QC said the killer had ‘no respect for the law’. Khalaf was sent back into the community repeatedly and Mr Medina, a Colombian, paid for it ‘with his life’, she added” (see media report, 2020).
2. Rachid Redouane – one of the perpetrators of the 2017 London Bridge attacks, in which 11 people were killed and 48 injured (21 critically) – was a Moroccan-born failed asylum seeker. After having his 2009 claim for asylum rejected, he remained here before going on to live in Ireland three years later. He then returned and (alongside two others) committed a barbaric, horrendous and violent attack on Londoners who were just going about their daily lives.
3. A failed asylum seeker – Eltiona Skana – killed seven-year old Emily Jones by slitting her throat in Bolton on 22 March 2020. The perpetrator’s initial claim for asylum in 2014 was refused but the Home Office then granted her leave to remain in the UK until 2024. The perpetrator was cleared of murder on the basis of diminished responsibility.
4. Khairi Saadallah – who shouted “Allahu akhbar” as he brutally murdered three men in a terror attack in Reading on 20 June 2020 – was a failed Libyan asylum seeker who reportedly illegally entered the country from Libya in 2012. Saadallah was given temporary leave to remain in 2018 despite already having amassing a string of criminal convictions and being a member of a banned terrorist group in Libya. Just two weeks prior to the attack the government said that his deportation was in the public interest but for legal reasons it could not happen.
5. Failed asylum claimant Azam Mangori – an Iraqi Kurd – was sentenced to life in prison for murdering 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by smothering her with a T-shirt. He left Ms Cox’s body for a week in his flat before he dismembered her. Mangori was denied asylum in December 2018.
6. The Parson’s Green bomber – Iraqi asylum seeker Ahmed Hassan – came to Britain illegally in the back of lorry in 2015. Interviewed at an immigration centre in Croydon in January 2016, Mr Hassan, said: “They trained us how to kill. It was all religious based.” However, he was still able to claim asylum and was not removed from the UK before attempting to bomb a District Line tube train on 15 September 2017.
7. A Somalian double rapist was allowed to stay in the UK on human rights grounds after a judge said he would face ‘degrading’ treatment in his home country due to his mental health. The 49-year-old arrived in Britain in 2004 and claimed asylum, but he amassed eight convictions in the space of six years. Robbery, trying to pervert the course of justice. Raping two different women were among his offences. He used a knife during one of these crimes and was jailed for more than seven years. Now he has been allowed to stay here. But what about the safety of the public?
8. A Sudanese asylum seeker – Badreddin Abadlla Adam – stabbed six people, including a police officer, while on a violent rampage in a hotel in Glasgow in June 2020.
9. An Afghan asylum seeker – Samiulahaq Akbari – tried to murder a complete stranger in Thornton Heath, London while ‘fuelled’ by a desire to kill English people. He was convicted of attempted murder over the rampage which took place on 8 January 2019, just 12 days after he was released from prison for another assault.
10. Kuwaiti hit and run driver – Hadi Hamid – who nearly killed two teenagers in Middlesbrough in October 2017 after ploughing into them with his car (and leaving with life-changing injuries) was allowed to stay in the UK – even though his refugee status was revoked. Hamid was sentenced to four years behind bars in February 2018 and was ordered to be deported, yet he was released from prison in October 2019 and has still not left.
11. Sudanese asylum seeker Karar Ali Karar savagely murdered 21-year-old Jodi Miller in Leeds in February 2019 by stabbing her 15 times in the head and body in an ‘explosive rage’ after she refused to have sex with him. He was jailed for life in August 2019. The question is – will he be forced to leave the UK upon leaving prison? Given the increasing failure to remove such people from the UK, it is looking unlikely.
12. Illegal Algerian immigrant Khaled Meridja, who reportedly entered Britain through France after hiding in the back of a lorry, was jailed for seven-and-a-half years in October 2019 for strangling and sexually assaulting a teenager.
13. Albanian Asdrit Kapaj- also known as the Wimbledon prowler – terrorised south west London with burglaries for a decade after also arriving in the UK in 1996 and falsely claiming to be a Kosovan refugee. After being granted indefinite leave to remain in 1999, he was refused naturalisation as a British citizen in 2011 on the grounds that he had lied about his nationality, meaning he should have been deported. He was jailed for 14 years in June 2019 after admitting to 25 charges of burglary and attempted burglary in which cash and valuables worth almost £500,000 were stolen in meticulously planned break-ins.
14. An illegal immigrant who sexually assaulted two women at packed Bournemouth beach while his friends watched and laughed was jailed for 18 months. in January 2022 (see media report). Kuku Machhal, 31, of Southall, west London, groped the women in the sea in two separate incidents on July 23 2021, Portsmouth Crown Court heard. He came to UK illegally from India in 2015 and was facing deportation at the time of the crime. But why wasn’t he removed long before it was able to occur?
15. Nigerian student Femi Nandap was arrested and charged with wielding a very large knife in a public place and attacking and biting a police officer in May 2015. After being charged, he returned to Nigeria to be treated with psychotic drugs, before coming back to the UK. Inexplicably, the charges against him were dropped. Six days later, he brutally and randomly stabbed to death Dutch academic Dr Jeroen Ensink on a street in Islington, London in broad daylight while in a cannabis-induced psychotic rage. An inquest later found failings by the Metropolitan Police following his earlier arrest, while the deputy chief crown prosecutor apologised and admitted they had made an “incorrect” decision not to pursue the assault charge (see media reports here and here).
16. In March 2022, aspiring Royal Marine, 18-year-old Thomas Roberts was stabbed to death in an unprovoked attack in Bournemouth. The killer was Afghan national Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai, an asylum seeker who entered the UK illegally by ferry in late 2019, lied about his age in order to stay here, who had already murdered people in other countries and who was rejected for asylum elsewhere in Europe (by the more sensible country of Norway). This was a shocking crime which underlined the deep failures of enforcement that are now putting innocent Brits at real risk.
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Post by om15 on Jun 14, 2023 10:29:13 GMT
Good post Dan, we must recall the details of your post when we vote next year.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 14, 2023 10:47:04 GMT
It’s almost certain this is not a terrorist incident (though I stand to be corrected) but someone acting with mental health problems. Immigration issues though concerning and the fact this person may well not be residing here did we have an effective immigration control aside you cannot escape the fact that mental health services in this country are abysmal,incidents where clear warnings are ignored are very frequent and just likely to occur within the indigenous population as without. All very true - so in that case importing even more people with mental health issues from the rest of the world is rather silly then. |
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Post by dappy on Jun 14, 2023 10:50:42 GMT
In any largish group of human beings, Dan, some human beings will commit crimes. Sadly it is inevitable for our species. You could come up with a similar list for men, or people from Stockport or Luton Town Supporters or people with Ginger hair. Not sure I understand your point.
If your point is that we are slow to deport failed asylum seekers (and that some of them will inevitably commit crimes while that is the case) I would agree with you.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 14, 2023 10:54:10 GMT
If a terrorist PRETENDS to be an asylum seeker, comes here and kills people, just as that bastard who bombed an Ariana Grande concert did in 2017, that's a problem.
I don't care what colour they are, we need a better asylum system.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 14, 2023 11:19:40 GMT
In any largish group of human beings, Dan, some human beings will commit crimes. Sadly it is inevitable for our species. You could come up with a similar list for men, or people from Stockport or Luton Town Supporters or people with Ginger hair. Not sure I understand your point. If your point is that we are slow to deport failed asylum seekers (and that some of them will inevitably commit crimes while that is the case) I would agree with you. Spare us the faux gormlessness dappy. The point is you well know that all these atrocities were completely avoidable.
As a great Englishman once said:
"The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature. One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary."
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 14, 2023 11:41:49 GMT
What concerns me most (apart from the obvious sad loss of life) from the various reports is that the West African immigrant with mental health issues was known to the police as a low level petty drug dealer without a criminal record .
For me there is no such thing as a low level petty drug dealer and maybe he should have a criminal record and possibly a prison one . Only when we take these scumbags off the streets will our children be safe , zero tollerence policing (what the feck are they doing if they are not nicking drug dealers) and jail terms for drugs offences . It will no doubt come to light in days to come that he was on something that effected his fragile mental state .
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