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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2023 17:54:02 GMT
When someone tries to challenge the reliability of an organisation like the CER and their studies by projecting the UK economy off the economy of Germany, then you can dismiss his or her supposed challenge immediately.  LOL - are you honestly telling me that you thought the UK economy in 2016 was booming so much that in the following 7 years it was going to grow twice as much as Germany?.. Do you want to buy a bridge?.. I am honestly telling you -- as politely as possible -- that using the German economy to make projections for Brexit Britain economy does not deserve even a casual glance. Nothing to see there  . Don't get me wrong -- I do appreciate your valiant efforts..... Another chart, maybe?? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2023 18:12:49 GMT
LOL - are you honestly telling me that you thought the UK economy in 2016 was booming so much that in the following 7 years it was going to grow twice as much as Germany?.. Do you want to buy a bridge?.. I am honestly telling you -- as politely as possible -- that using the German economy to make projections for Brexit Britain economy does not deserve even a casual glance. Nothing to see there . Don't get me wrong -- I do appreciate your valiant efforts..... Another chart, maybe?? Get a grip gaaannnnaaaayaaammmmeee
Germany expects Brussels to approve $2.2 billion Thyssenkrupp steel subsidies - source
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2023 18:31:44 GMT
I am honestly telling you -- as politely as possible -- that using the German economy to make projections for Brexit Britain economy does not deserve even a casual glance. Nothing to see there . Don't get me wrong -- I do appreciate your valiant efforts..... Another chart, maybe?? Get a grip gaaannnnaaaayaaammmmeee
Germany expects Brussels to approve $2.2 billion Thyssenkrupp steel subsidies - source
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 13, 2023 18:36:44 GMT
It's an issue in so far as the Brexit aim to drive away FOC nationals and reduce immigration to the "already congested" island has failed. The aim was to make the decision about who comes here one for the UK Government - it has succeeded in doing that. OK you might be upset that more non-EU migrants are coming in compared to ones from the EU, but that is democracy. I don’t see a problem. Yes i voted leave and one if the main reasons ws the unstemmed tide of passport holders of EU countries rocking up at Dover demanding a National Insurance number in order to work here My problem with that is we had no way to control such applicants and while the rules allowed us to throw out any who had not secured a job inside 90 days, no one was. A problem caused by our political parties. The access to the UK job market for NON eu citizens was always more controlled. Not least because our EU Masters demanded it. I had no problem with jobs not filled from the available pool of UK passport holders being filled from outside. After all, i used the EEC regulations pre and post Maastricht and pre Lisbon to steal jobs from incompetent frenchmen, Belgians, italians and Spaniards. I have no problem with citizens of those countries fighting me for jobs in the UK. Having secured employment in tbeir country because i was better than the locals it stood to reason i’d win on home turf and i did The problem is Lisbon - and globalism in tory and labour alike, and ln dem worst of all, royally fucked us over and had to go. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2023 18:56:12 GMT
Get a grip gaaannnnaaaayaaammmmeee
Germany expects Brussels to approve $2.2 billion Thyssenkrupp steel subsidies - source
Irrelevant. ^ Yes gaaannnnnnaaaammmmeee your beloved EUSSR are irelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2023 21:05:37 GMT
The aim was to make the decision about who comes here one for the UK Government - it has succeeded in doing that. OK you might be upset that more non-EU migrants are coming in compared to ones from the EU, but that is democracy. I don’t see a problem. Yes i voted leave and one if the main reasons ws the unstemmed tide of passport holders of EU countries rocking up at Dover demanding a National Insurance number in order to work here My problem with that is we had no way to control such applicants and while the rules allowed us to throw out any who had not secured a job inside 90 days, no one was. A problem caused by our political parties. The access to the UK job market for NON eu citizens was always more controlled. Not least because our EU Masters demanded it. I had no problem with jobs not filled from the available pool of UK passport holders being filled from outside. After all, i used the EEC regulations pre and post Maastricht and pre Lisbon to steal jobs from incompetent frenchmen, Belgians, italians and Spaniards. I have no problem with citizens of those countries fighting me for jobs in the UK. Having secured employment in tbeir country because i was better than the locals it stood to reason i’d win on home turf and i did The problem is Lisbon - and globalism in tory and labour alike, and ln dem worst of all, royally fucked us over and had to go. FOM was never an issue of jobs and economics. EU citizens were net contributors to the economy. They didn't "steal jobs" from locals or stagnated wages across the board and in a major way. Unemployment was at its lowest for a long time before the referendum! The issue with FOM was about nationalism. Apparently, there was a feeling of being swamped by foreigners particularly when the Polish, the Romanians, et al. started breaking into the mainstream; becoming more visible -- setting up their cafes; their mini markets; their own repairs and maintenance companies; cramming the Tube and trains. Leave supporters and campaigners must have realised that no matter how anyone looked at it, there was something not quite acceptable about nationalism so they made their agenda more palatable by drip-dripping the idea that EU citizens were a drain on our economic resources. I am not sure about globalism -- if it was truly a problem then we should probably stop making trade deals with far flung countries and trade blocs. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 13, 2023 21:22:55 GMT
LOL - are you honestly telling me that you thought the UK economy in 2016 was booming so much that in the following 7 years it was going to grow twice as much as Germany?.. Do you want to buy a bridge?.. I am honestly telling you -- as politely as possible -- that using the German economy to make projections for Brexit Britain economy does not deserve even a casual glance. Nothing to see there . Don't get me wrong -- I do appreciate your valiant efforts..... Another chart, maybe?? you wouldn't understand it - if you can swallow that Cameron was an economic genius then any reality has long left your orbit.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 13, 2023 21:25:59 GMT
I don’t see a problem. Yes i voted leave and one if the main reasons ws the unstemmed tide of passport holders of EU countries rocking up at Dover demanding a National Insurance number in order to work here My problem with that is we had no way to control such applicants and while the rules allowed us to throw out any who had not secured a job inside 90 days, no one was. A problem caused by our political parties. The access to the UK job market for NON eu citizens was always more controlled. Not least because our EU Masters demanded it. I had no problem with jobs not filled from the available pool of UK passport holders being filled from outside. After all, i used the EEC regulations pre and post Maastricht and pre Lisbon to steal jobs from incompetent frenchmen, Belgians, italians and Spaniards. I have no problem with citizens of those countries fighting me for jobs in the UK. Having secured employment in tbeir country because i was better than the locals it stood to reason i’d win on home turf and i did The problem is Lisbon - and globalism in tory and labour alike, and ln dem worst of all, royally fucked us over and had to go. FOM was never an issue of jobs and economics. EU citizens were net contributors to the economy. They didn't "steal jobs" from locals or stagnated wages across the board and in a major way. Yes, it was a total coincidence that wages stagnated from the time that Blair threw open the door to mass immigration.. nothing to see here ..move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2023 22:11:47 GMT
FOM was never an issue of jobs and economics. EU citizens were net contributors to the economy. They didn't "steal jobs" from locals or stagnated wages across the board and in a major way. Yes, it was a total coincidence that wages stagnated from the time that Blair threw open the door to mass immigration.. nothing to see here ..move on. What, no chart??!!!  When a potentially overheating economy demands more labour which the local market can't meet, you throw open the door to immigrant labour to sustain economic growth -- a smart, admirable move by Sir Tony: The astute, savvy, incredibly intelligent, highly diplomatic, man of authority and gravitas, pragmatic but principled, epitome of eloquence political wonder boy and Patron Saint of Slightly Left of Centre Politics. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 14, 2023 6:36:04 GMT
Yes, it was a total coincidence that wages stagnated from the time that Blair threw open the door to mass immigration.. nothing to see here ..move on. What, no chart??!!! When a potentially overheating economy demands more labour which the local market can't meet, you throw open the door to immigrant labour to sustain economic growth -- a smart, admirable move by Sir Tony: The astute, savvy, incredibly intelligent, highly diplomatic, man of authority and gravitas, pragmatic but principled, epitome of eloquence political wonder boy and Patron Saint of Slightly Left of Centre Politics. Certainly was for him - entered politics with nothing and came out the other end a multi-millionaire. Meanwhile his polices led to the wages of millions of workers stagnating... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 13:56:56 GMT
What, no chart??!!! When a potentially overheating economy demands more labour which the local market can't meet, you throw open the door to immigrant labour to sustain economic growth -- a smart, admirable move by Sir Tony: The astute, savvy, incredibly intelligent, highly diplomatic, man of authority and gravitas, pragmatic but principled, epitome of eloquence political wonder boy and Patron Saint of Slightly Left of Centre Politics. Certainly was for him - entered politics with nothing and came out the other end a multi-millionaire. Meanwhile his polices led to the wages of millions of workers stagnating... Sustaining economic growth is always a smart, admirable move. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 14, 2023 14:08:32 GMT
* Blair and Brown presided over extreme economic and political failures.
* Pensions raids.
* Sold our gold at knock down prices.
* Wireless telephony auctions that virtually bankrupted telephone companies and slowed down the rollout of more advanced broadband technologies.
* PFI debts for the health service.
* Failed bank deregulation.
* Huge budget deficit.
* Signed treaties with the EU nobody asked them to sign.
* Devolution for Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland, but not England.
* Anti English racism flourished during their time in office.
* Unnecessary wars.
* Blair was a staunch advocate of the idea of EU Battlegroups (paper tigers).
* Blair and Brown appeased Putin.
I don't miss them at all.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 14, 2023 16:46:49 GMT
Certainly was for him - entered politics with nothing and came out the other end a multi-millionaire. Meanwhile his polices led to the wages of millions of workers stagnating... Sustaining economic growth is always a smart, admirable move. Ah yes - the end of 'Boom and Bust' - bust for everyone but certainly no bust for the war criminal Blair though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 19:21:51 GMT
Sustaining economic growth is always a smart, admirable move. Ah yes - the end of 'Boom and Bust' - bust for everyone but certainly no bust for the war criminal Blair though. Yeah, have you checked out his town house a block off Edgware Road? And correct -- no more boom-and-bust economy under my Patron Saint, Sir Tony! A depoliticised Bank of England given independence to set interest rates and monetary policies led to inflation staying under control.
Under Sir Tony, a strong world economy, rising immigration and public spending helped to boost growth. Economic growth was unspectacular, but steady - the longest uninterrupted period of growth in 200 years. Imagine -- the longest uninterrupted period of growth. In 200 years! Immigration was rising yet the economy enjoyed a period of low unemployment, with the rate coming down sharply from the high levels of the 1980s.In my view, Iraq always highlights the breath taking hypocrisy of these supposedly "morally upright Brexiteers" in particular. Going to war is always very difficult to justify but this breed of Brexiteers will burst your eardrums with their moral outrage over the invasion of Iraq yet they keep a deafening silence about Britain's arms trade with the Saudis. They constantly complain about this supposed loss of independence to the EU. But they march out of the discussion in a huff when you remind them that it was the UK's independent decision -- in defiance France, maybe -- to join the US, et al. in invading Iraq! cited verbatim from a BBC article.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 14, 2023 19:24:22 GMT
Ah yes - the end of 'Boom and Bust' - bust for everyone but certainly no bust for the war criminal Blair though. Yeah, have you checked out his town house a block off Edgware Road? And correct -- no more boom-and-bust economy under my Patron Saint, Sir Tony! A depoliticised Bank of England given independence to set interest rates and monetary policies led to inflation staying under control.
Under Sir Tony, a strong world economy, rising immigration and public spending helped to boost growth. Economic growth was unspectacular, but steady - the longest uninterrupted period of growth in 200 years. Imagine -- the longest uninterrupted period of growth. In 200 years! Immigration was rising yet the economy enjoyed a period of low unemployment, with the rate coming down sharply from the high levels of the 1980s.In my view, Iraq always highlights the breath taking hypocrisy of these supposedly "morally upright Brexiteers" in particular. Going to war is always very difficult to justify but this breed of Brexiteers will burst your eardrums with their moral outrage over the invasion of Iraq yet they keep a deafening silence about Britain's arms trade with the Saudis.They constantly complain about this supposed loss of independence to the EU. But they march out of the discussion in a huff when you remind them that it was the UK's independent decision -- in defiance France, maybe -- to join the US, et al. in invading Iraq! cited verbatim from a BBC article.
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